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Joseph Socks.
« on: Friday 05 February 21 16:32 GMT (UK) »
I have Joseph Socks birth registration on Ancestry and Freebmd. 1874  Dec quarter 1874.
6d 723. Oswestry
I can't find him on the GRO index.

I have a Joseph Sacks,  father Joseph,  mother Caroline in later census,   similer birth year born Oswestry.
I cant find a marriage for the parents so am trying to find MMN from GRO
Can anyone help please.
Joseph snr was born in Germany,.
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Re: Joseph Socks.
« Reply #1 on: Friday 05 February 21 18:43 GMT (UK) »
FindMyPast has the baptism (Methodist) image giving Caroline's name as Caroline Keeler. :-\

Registration entry looks like 6a and not 6d; not sure if that helps though.
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: Joseph Socks.
« Reply #2 on: Friday 05 February 21 19:12 GMT (UK) »
If Joseph senior was born in Germany it is possible his surname was Sachs.

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Re: Joseph Socks.
« Reply #3 on: Friday 05 February 21 19:36 GMT (UK) »
I agree, but in the newspapers,  the census and both his and Carolines death they are Sacks.

There is a Keeler family in Oswestry,  but the names are transcribed badly in some records. 
No Caroline found so far, she was born Oswestry c 1848
I'm not finding  any marriage for a Caroline Keeler at all.
This is a difficult one.

Thanks Nanny Jan, so far I've not found another child of Caroline and Joseph to check.
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Re: Joseph Socks.
« Reply #4 on: Friday 05 February 21 19:52 GMT (UK) »
It sounds like a few of my lines; they said they were married but..........
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: Joseph Socks.
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 06 February 21 08:45 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

You could order the birth certificate from the local BMD project group - Shropshire BMD (rather than the GRO). Their local records show mothers maiden name as Kehler and their reference being B-OSW-OSW/20/308

See Shropshirebmd/info for more details - cost of the certificate if required is £11.

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Re: Joseph Socks.
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 06 February 21 12:07 GMT (UK) »
1851, George and Elizabeth Keeley, both born Germany have daughter Caroline.
They are Keeler and Kehler in different records.

Thank, I think thats cracked it.
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Re: Joseph Socks.
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 06 February 21 12:09 GMT (UK) »
Quote from: wilcoxon on Saturday 06 February 21 12:07 GMT (UK)
1851, George and Elizabeth Keeley, both born Germany have daughter Caroline.
They are Keeler and Kehler in different records.

Thank, I think thats cracked it.

Oh dear, this Caroline is born Cheshire.  🙁
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Re: Joseph Socks.
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 06 February 21 18:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

There are several trees on Ancestry showing the family and they generally suggest George and Elizabeth had 6 children -

Caroline born Congleton, Cheshire
Margaret born Mold Flintshire
Elizabeth born Oswestry Shropshire
George also born Oswestry
Louisa - ditto
Alice - ditto

Concerning the father George, he seemed to move the family around -  In 1851 (shown as Keeley) an Ag Lab in Wrexham, Denbighshire; In Oswestry a Labourer in 1861 (shown as Keelan); Same in 1871 (shown as Kehler); In 1881 A scavenger (widower - shown as Kebler) 

 In the 1861 census "Caroline" is aged 12 and named as Catharine - all the family shown as born Oswestry.

Hope this helps

Alan

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