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Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 06 January 22 21:11 GMT (UK) »
Hello C. Hunter, sadly i don't have much to offer both on the Margaret McClure, the Hunter and the Dill. See below several Margaret McClures that may fit the bill but it would have involved some travell. Most people married into their local community - but not all. My research has thrown up very few McClure/Hunter references.
I am very interested in your thread as I have not had a Carmoney McClure reference previously.
Your Margaret is not in my Ballynashannagh tree [yet].

Bawn/Tullydonnell - Thomas McClure.bc.1795.married Margaret Elliott - Margaret McClure.bc.1823.
Maughboy/Magheraboy - William McClure.bc.1771.married Mary? - Margaret McClure.bc1814.
Killyvery/Raymoghy - John McClure.bc.1780.married Isabella ? - Margaret McClure.bc.1820.
Aughagalt/Convoy - John McClure.b.1776.married Catherine McElhenny - Margaret McClure.bc.1815 Aughagalt.

Dill - A Richard McClure of Convoy/Findrum had two daughters who married into the Dill family -
Susanna M'CLURE.bc.1726.d.4.4.1804.m.[10]17.10.1764.John DILL.b.1726.d.4.4.1804.
Mary McCLURE.b.1752.Convoy.d.?.6.1796.Springfield,Clondavaddog.Co.Donegal.usa. m.1774.Donegal.USA.Marcus[Mark] DILL.b.1741.Aughadreenagh.d.17.9.1831.Fannet Donegal
Most of this family went to the USA.
This Dill family was based at a place called Springfield - not far from Ballynashannagh.
Check out a website called the Silver Bowl run by a Sharon Oddie Brown for further details.
The trip between Springfield & Findrum would have been a decent treck in mid 1700's.

Happy to chat further thru this forum of by PM.

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Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 06 January 22 22:13 GMT (UK) »
I found a not on this forum about Margaret Hunter who died 25.10.1885 wife of John Hunter. She was buried at the Errity burial ground on 28.10.1885. Errity is near Raymoghy, Manorcunningham and Letterkenny. Does this look like a possibility?

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Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« Reply #11 on: Friday 07 January 22 00:07 GMT (UK) »
Thanks so much for looking at this Jack. John and Margaret Hunter are buried in the CoI cemetery in Milford.

I have a real feeling Margaret might be the Margaret McClure, dau of John McClure and Catherine McElhinney, Aughagault. McElhinney is big in the Hunter family tree, the Christian names would fit with the naming traditions in the next generation, and one of John and Margaret’s daughter and several grandchildren married into families from Aughagault, Drumkeen, Convoy etc… seems to fit…

Re the Dill family, Rebecca Rutherford dau of James Rutherford and Hannah Dill, Casheleenan, married James Hunter of Carmoney around 1834. This is one Hunter / Dill connection I’ve found.


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Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« Reply #12 on: Friday 07 January 22 09:13 GMT (UK) »
C Hunter - Do you have any Shirlow/Sherland [Var], Knox or Quinton in your heritage?
I found this Hunter reference - is it one of yours?
James SHERLAND.b.1880.d.?.m. unknown HuNTER.bc.1900RosgarrowKerrykeel.
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Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 03 May 22 17:02 BST (UK) »
Regarding the Dill and McClure connection you need to be a little wary of the family histories of the Dill's. They were a very prominent family in the North of Ireland and have a number of histories written about them which are incorrect as they repeat the same mistakes.
There are effectively two branches of the family, which when the older histories discuss them, refer to them as David Dill's line and his brother John Dill's line.
On Jack's post of the 6th January there are a couple of points i would have to disagree with.
First the Dill's were not based at Springfield, Clondavadogg. Two brothers were. Well before this, some 60-80 years the family had split into two parts.....the David & John Dill lines. This is where the histories go wrong.
In the histories they say David's family is in the Fanad Penninsula, moving at various times to Glenalla, Magheradrumman [the south Fanad one] then Tullynadall further up the Peninsula.
Most histories then say John, either moved to Allsaints in the Laggan Valley or he drops off the family histories as 'gone away'.
However, in the 1660 Hearth Tax Rolls the two 'brothers' are in two locations. But the other way around. John is at Tullynadall and David near Newtowncunningham, Allsaints.
I believe a generation has been missed off all the family histories, because if you look at the supposed birth dates of some of the tree members and the events they witnessed it does not tie in with the one legal document remaining, the Hearth Tax Rolls. This then adds the possibility of more children than John & David. There is a Robert Dill in some records.
So when you look at the one Dill family [known as John's] by the 1700's they are south of Letterkenny, much closer to Kildrum and i have seen much further travel between families than that to marry.

The second point is the statement that the Springfiled Dill's went to America. Not so, in fact i think it was only one son and possibly the daughters [for a long time the actual Dill papers make little note of the female line of daughters]. The majority of the Springfield line stayed in Ireland, Counties Down, Londonderry, Antrim. then a large line is formed in England, Richard Dill in Brighton. A history called 'The Twelve Dill's' explains this line.
Look at Field Marshall Sir John Dill.......Montgomery family of Donegal is also connected to the Springfield Dill's.
The McClure line connected to the Dill's also has a connection to Rockbridge VA in the USA.
Not my line, so not 100% sure but think its Samuel McClure either brother or even father of the McClure-Dill girls. There is another daughter, Belle, married a Kelso, not sure where and in the US one daughter marries an Elliott. He is not a Donegal Elliott though, he is a Ballymena one with completely different Ydna [he's from the Elliott's of Antrim who are actually Armstrong's by dna].
There are various American Dill lines starting around 1730, with Caleb Dill in NY State. Then Delaware, Ohio later [including the Springfield ones who also go to Ohio] then a very important line in Nova Scotia.
My Elliott's were from Milford in Donegal, having been there from sometime early 1700's until around 1900 after which they went to Londonderry City.
From this family we have lots of connections to all the local Milford families.
Including Hunter who's line emigrated to Philadelphia around 1850. The Hunter's and Elliott's live next door to each other in Philadelphia.
I would recommend anyone with Donegal Presbyterian connections does a search of Mount Moriah Cemetery Philadelphia for any surname. There are 369 Hunter's buried in there, 223 Elliott's, of which around 40 Elliott's alone are my Milford line.
I am dna connected to Dill Hunter [and the Dill family of Donegal, USA & Nova Scotia].
We Elliott's also seem to have a dna connection to Raphoe McClure's in the USA via a McClure -Sage marriage.
I currently speak with most of the above families.....except McClure.
Rob

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Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 04 May 22 02:11 BST (UK) »
Hello Rob Elliott i thank you for your input expecially the Dill angle. A rabbit hole i have only scratched the surface. I assume that you have looked at Sharon Odie Browns blog'The Silver Bowl'? This gives her side of the Dill family. I had a quick look at the Mt. Moriah Cem Find  A Grave and there are plenty of McClures but sadly no definitive Irish detail - I will check my McClure data Base for Phily deaths and do some cross matching.
The US McClure genealogy is a mess with every family having a different take on their Irish roots. The reference to coming from Raphoe could mean the Parish, the Barony or the Townland. The Parish covers about half of Co. Donegal.
You mentioned in passing the McClure sisters marrying the Dill bros. and that their brother married Mary Bell Kelso. Several sources have the following thread of Halbert McClures son Samuel as the brother and the sources also mention the sisters as the daughter of Richard McClure of Findrum/Convoy.
Samuel Finlay McCLURE. bc.1709.Raphoe.d.4.5.[or 13.March]1779Lexington,Rockbridge Co.VA.. mc.1736. Mary Bell KELSO. b.1723[or 1711]. d.1779VA
A 1920's report mentiioned several Richard McClures in Co. Donegal circa 1800's all related and probably descended from Richard McClure the first lessee of Findrum deed of 1677. My DNA line.

There is a concentration of McClures around the Rockbridge County.
I have checked my McClure data base and cannot find the name SAGE mentioned. If you have any other clues Irish of offspring places i maybe able to backtrack.

I have two possible Elliott connections for you -
My Elliott connection are from Bohanboy/Baughauyboy of Donaghmore Parish.
One of my American trees has Martha Elliott [1779-1808] married 1795 Rockbridge Co. to Alexander McClure [1774-1843].

Feel free to send me a PM if the discussions gets a bit broad for this post.
Happy to chat anytime.
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Jack
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Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 04 May 22 06:17 BST (UK) »
It would appear that my Donegal McClure date base has very little in the way of Philadelphia deaths. Especially at Mount Moriagh Cemetery. The best the entries have in Find my Grave is 'Ireland'.

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Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 14 May 22 13:27 BST (UK) »
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Re: McClure Families of Fanad Peninsular
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 14 May 22 13:41 BST (UK) »
Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo