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Re: Marriage in Santa Clara, California, 1935?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 16 February 21 21:43 GMT (UK) »
"1939 San Francisco city directory - Rosewarne, John (Annie) mgr SF Auto Camp"

I wonder if this J.V. in 1940:
Roswardo, John, San Francisco, age 66, 4 years of college, born in England, manager auto court.  No sign of Annie.

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Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Marriage in Santa Clara, California, 1935?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 16 February 21 21:57 GMT (UK) »
I bet that's the right one.  In 1939 & 1940 voters list for San Francisco, there's an entry for Mrs. Annie E. Rosewarne, 74 Rey (which seems to match the address for John on the census), manager, Democrat.

Other entries on voters' lists:

1938 - Branciforte, Santa Cruz Co. -
Rosewarne, Mrs. Annie E., Democrat, housewife, Rt. 3, Box 69, Santa Cruz

1942 - San Mateo Co. -
Rosewarne, Mrs. Annie, 13 Los Banos Ave., housewife, Democrat

No other Rosewarne listed on any of those with Annie.

However, there was this one in 1922 in Oakland:
Rosewarne, John, 428 26th St., janitor, Socialist.

I don't know if that might be his son or if John went from minister to Socialist janitor?

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Re: Marriage in Santa Clara, California, 1935?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 16 February 21 22:09 GMT (UK) »
Any chance John was an English mining expert/swindler known as Richard Rochester/Rosewarne in Los Angeles, San Francisco, and Vancouver circa 1910?  https://www.newspapers.com/clip/71234031/

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Re: Marriage in Santa Clara, California, 1935?
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 16 February 21 22:14 GMT (UK) »
The charges were subsequently dismissed, and Vancouver didn't want him arrested - https://www.newspapers.com/clip/71234675/  He had been going by Dolph Rosewarne.


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Re: Marriage in Santa Clara, California, 1935?
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 16 February 21 22:59 GMT (UK) »
I had never heard of a "Socialist"  in America but from the Internet  ......

"The Socialist Party of America (SPA) was a multi-tendency democratic-socialist political party in the United States, formed in 1901 by a merger between the three-year-old Social Democratic Party of America and disaffected elements of the Socialist Labor Party which had split from the main organization in 1899".

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Re: Marriage in Santa Clara, California, 1935?
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 16 February 21 23:20 GMT (UK) »
Gads!  I wonder?  The articles describe 'Rochester' as a young man.  John Vincent was 43 in 1910 and his ninth [and last known] child was born in November of that year in Oregon.  It's possible, though, that he could have been described as 'young' and I believe his father was a Cornish miner so J.V. could have known enough to pass himself off as a mining expert.  In April 1910, he was censused with his wife and children in Seattle; his occupation was Baptist minister.  For some reason, though, that last kid was born in Oregon [where Minnie's sister lived].  Maybe she went down to Portland because J.V. was gallivanting around the west coast swindling people.  That last child was one of the ones informally adopted by Minnie's sister, Delia.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Marriage in Santa Clara, California, 1935?
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 17 February 21 00:04 GMT (UK) »
There is an English-born mining engineer named Richard Rochester in Arizona in the 1910 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MVVC-JH3  I didn't find a definite match for him before or after that, so not sure what to think.

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Re: Marriage in Santa Clara, California, 1935?
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 17 February 21 00:27 GMT (UK) »
I'm tempted to guess that J.V. somehow knew the real Richard Rochester and assumed his name for his 'mining expert' scam.  Could he have known Rochester in Michigan where it looks like the Rosewarne family lived for a time?

The maddening thing is that my grandmother could have shed light on all this but she chose to gloss over the ugly details when she wrote her family history manuscript.  She was back in the United States in 1914 on one of her missionary 'furloughs' and I have photographs from that visit of her first son [my father's older brother who died as a child] with two of his Rosewarne cousins [the ones adopted by Delia], so Granny must have gotten the nitty-gritty from Minnie or Delia or both.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis

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Re: Marriage in Santa Clara, California, 1935?
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 17 February 21 03:35 GMT (UK) »
1887 arrival in Baltimore of Richard Rochester, age 18, miner

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To be fair to John Vincent Rosewarne, it is also possible that the scammer was really Richard Rochester and he had appropriated the surname Rosewarne for his criminal purposes.
Wiltshire:  Banks, Taylor
Somerset:  Duddridge, Richards, Barnard, Pillinger
Gloucestershire:  Barnard, Marsh, Crossman
Bristol:  Banks, Duddridge, Barnard
Down:  Ennis, McGee
Wicklow:  Chapman, Pepper
Wigtownshire:  Logan, Conning
Wisconsin:  Ennis, Chapman, Logan, Ware
Maine:  Ware, Mitchell, Tarr, Davis