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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #54 on: Friday 26 February 21 10:45 GMT (UK) »
Re Husband and offspring of Elizabeth Williams/Griffiths/Addis/Rowe (b c1851).

Elizabeth Griffiths married James Addis, Sept qtr 1873, Chepstow, 11a 4 (28 Sep St Briavels)

Births Sep 1876 ADDIS, Harry. Chepstow 11a 15 (The only 'Harry' in Monmouthshire betw 1873 and 1879, as far as I can find).

James Addis dies/buried 7 Jul 1877. (St Briavels)

Births Dec 1877 Addis, Maud Elizabeth. Pontypool    11a   168. (Birth one year after Harry; 3-5 months after he died; Jas Addis prob never lived to see his daughter).

1881 Census shows only Maud - no sign of Harry, but at age 5+ he may be visiting elsewhere.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WM-BRW2

Could the previously (expertly-done) research on Harry's birthdate (from Canadian records) mean that he 'led a lie' (not intentional perhaps) his whole life, believing that he was born on 12 Aug 1879? Perhaps he was James Addis' son after all?





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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #55 on: Friday 26 February 21 14:43 GMT (UK) »
not sure why Harry isn't included with that family group on FamilySearch as he is there, aged 8 months and surname Griffiths. So possibly born 12 Aug but it should have been 1880.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WM-BR5W

The Harry registered at Chepstow is possibly a cousin, son of William & Elizabeth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2WM-5N4X
A child born in Usk should be registered at Pontypool.
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #56 on: Friday 26 February 21 19:23 GMT (UK) »
Doh! So, our Harry was prob born 12 Aug 1880 (according to 1881 census Usk); the 1879 year from Canadian records may be wrong in that case. OTOH, the census could be wrong I suppose. Either way, if we have the right James Addis with death date of 7 Jul 1877, Elizabeth Williams/Griffiths, following the death of her husband, James Addis, may have been casting about a bit for a new husband, resulting in Harry!?

As we know, she then marries John L Rowe in 1883. What would you say to a potential new husband? You might have to fettle the dates a bit to make the facts fit!

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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #57 on: Friday 26 February 21 19:52 GMT (UK) »
all he would need to know is that she was a widow and she already had children. I doubt she'd be giving him exact dates. What happened in Usk, could stay in Usk!

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb


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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #58 on: Friday 26 February 21 20:44 GMT (UK) »
just checked the transcriptions of records on Dustydocs.

http://www.dustydocs.com/county/3/wales/197/monmouthshire.html

Burial in Usk 5 June 1867 Martha Griffiths 40 of Twyn, Usk

Possible marriage for parents of Martha
6 June 1826 in Usk Wm Williams & Elizabeth Richards both of the Hamlet of Gwehelog by banns both marked
Burial 28 Feb 1855 Wm Williams 60 of Usk
6 Oct 1889 Elizabeth Williams 92 The Twyn, Usk
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #59 on: Saturday 27 February 21 06:56 GMT (UK) »
Well done, Osprey!  I'm glad the records said William Williams was the father; I saw him on one census with Elizabeth and Martha, but the previous census (1841) Elizabeth was listed as "Ind", and no William in sight, and searching for any Williams in Wales is.... hard.

Anyways, new findings on Harry Addis! 

His address in Calgary Alberta was 1207 - 11th West Calgary, Alberta, as seen on his Vancouver marriage: http://search-collections.royalbcmuseum.bc.ca/Image/Genealogy/a7e1ed8c-f6f0-4d77-a220-4f7b2badc168 

That marriage to Ethel May Ralls took place 22 Sept 1924. 

But.... he married Ethel May Ralls again, in Calgary, in 1927! (Index only)

And! He was already married to Hilda May (still looking for a maiden name) in 1912!

Long story short:  He is on several passenger lists, dob ranging from 1880 to 1887.  His address (above) and constant occupation on the lists determine it is indeed the right guy.

Besides being in the army in Wales, where he listed John Rowe as his stepfather, back in 1901ish, he also joined the Canadian Army in 1915. 
The service records are here (slow to load, make sure to click the digitized record link):

https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?op=pdf&app=CEF&id=B0042-S029

In those records, you will find he married Hilda in 1912, and he did produce his marriage registration.  Harry give the same Calgary address appears and states a birth date of 26 Aug 1883, in Newport, Mons.
If you look at the pay schedule, you will see a constant confusion of paying his wife, Hilda, who lived in Cornwall, vs paying E. Addis (mother) in Calgary.  (That becomes important in a bit).

A couple of notable passenger lists:

In 1915, Hilda May Addis (age 24) with daughter Maud (age 3) are sailing from Canada to England to reside in England permanently.

In 1925, Harry Addis, in Feb 1925 left Liverpool to sail back to Canada. For some unknown reason, he lists his status as "son" although he is not traveling with anyone. Says he is 38, a motorman, returning home to 1207  11th Ave. W. Calgary, and that his nearest relation in England is his father:
H. Addie [sic] 59, Baglesbourne Rd (possibly Eaglesbourne Rd, hard to read), Thornhill, Thornton Heath, Surrey.  Well, can't be his father, so I thought maybe father in law? I cannot find that address on the 1939, or anywhere, for that matter.

But then, Thornton Heath was mentioned in this article!

Cornubian and Redruth Times 04 June 1925

PERRANWELL DIVORCE CASE

In the Divorce Division, on Thurs-
day, a decree nisi was pronounced in
favour of Mrs. Hilda May Addis, of
Virginia Cottage, Perranwelt, be-
cause of the unfaithfulness of her
husband, Harry Addis, who did not
defend the case.
Married in 1912 in Canada,
petitioner said that her husband
joined the Canadian Forces in 1915
and returned to England.  He did
not support her after 1910, and when
they met last year he confessed he
had been living with a Miss Annie
Day
at Thornton Heath.
Evidence of misconduct was called,
and Mrs. Addis was granted a decree
with costs, and custody of the two
children.

So who is Annie Day!?!  The line "did not support her after 1910" is what the newspaper wrote. However, the article also appeared in the Cornishman 03 June 1925  where it stated "did not support her after 1919", which makes far more sense, and must be the cause of the difficulty the army had in who to send his pay to, as mentioned above.

The child Maud, of Hilda, I believe to be Maud Patricia Irene Addis who married Smith Churchill.

Harry and Ethel married in Vancouver, but it was not legal, so they remarried again after the divorce in Calgary. If the Thornton Heath mention in the 1925 passenger list was still to see this Annie Day... well, he was already remarried ( or at least between the two marriages to Ethel). Or did Hilda move to Thornton Heath?

The divorce article states Harry and Hilda had two children, but only Maud was on the ship. Perhaps one was born after she returned to England.

I believe Hilda did not remarry, at least before 1939, as there is a high potential find for her on the 1939 with one daughter.  I got all excited when I found a Hilda May Addis with a James Addis, but it turned out to be an evil rabbit hole.  If you are hunting for the missing child, don't let this couple fool you.... it's not the right Hilda May, and will suck many hours of your life away chasing her! ::)




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Re: Emily Griffiths b c1862 Usk[?]Monmouthshire–desperately seeking Emily’s family
« Reply #60 on: Saturday 27 February 21 14:41 GMT (UK) »
sorry, just making assumptions from the 1851 census that William was Martha's father.   ::)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGTG-S8Q

The marriage seemed the most likely for a William Williams & an Elizabeth. No sign of baptisms for Martha & Thomas. Possibly in the Methodist church in Gwehelog?

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Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb