Jane Roberts, Warrington

[Wodgemac]

I posted the other year about Selina Oakes born 1844 and had some very helpful replies.
However it has created another mystery.

The replies told me that her mother was Jane Roberts born Warrington in 1818ish and her father was Thomas Oakes, born in Styall, Cheshire 1808ish.

Selina had a sister called Elizabeth Ann.

The information I have so far is:

1844 Selina born on 26th June Styall, Pownall Fee, to Thomas Oakes, Farmer and Ann Oakes nee Roberts (not Jane).

1847 Elizabeth Ann born 14th March in Everton, to Thomas Oakes, a labourer and Ann Oakes nee Roberts.

1851 census living at Gorton Brook, Manchester, Thomas 34 Carter born in Styall Cheshire
                                                                       Jane                    born in Warrington
                                                                       Ellen      7
                                                                       Elizabeth (all the rest is unreadable due to water
                                                                                       damage).

1861 census living at 307 John st. (right next to Gorton Brook).
                                                                      Thomas 43 Watchman Morley Wilmslow (close to
                                                                                                                                  Styall).
                                                                      Jane 31                        Warrington.
                                                                       Helena Cotton weaver 16 Stean Green, Warrington
                                                                                                            (Never heard of it)
                                                                       Elizabeth cotton weaver 14 Liverpool.
                                                                 Sarah Thornby sister in law   30 Warrington

1863 19th August, Jane Oakes nee Roberts dies aged 32 from sudden death, natural causes!!!!!! wife of Thomas Oakes watchman, living in Gorton Brook.

1864 October 2nd Elizabeth Ann Oakes marries Joseph Vernon a Carter. Elizabeth is aged 20? a corr keeper? her father Thomas a farmer. Both living at Gorton Brook.

1865 25th Feb, Elizabeth Vernon dies aged 20 of pneumonia, wife of Joseph Vernon a carter living at 1 John Street.

1865 October 1st Joseph Vernon a carter and widower marries Selina Oakes. He's living at 6 John st
she is 25 living at 2 John st. and her father is Thomas a watchman.

1868  November 7th Thomas Oakes 49 a widower and labourer marries Eliza Sherrat a widower both living on Pinapple st Openshaw. Thomas's father is Thomas.

There are a few discrepancies in the story:

Jane being Ann on the birth certificates
Selina being Ellen then Helena, before being Selina and her birth place in Warrington, which I think is a mistake.
Thomas Oakes job changes, which is very possible.

Could somebody possibly check the the facts for me please and tell me if they're right or wrong.
And Parents for Thomas Oakes, I do have a possibility for one born in Pownall fee? And Jane/Ann Roberts in Warrington.
I couldn't find any information sister in law Sarah Thornby aged 30 born in Warrington on the 1861 census

Thanks in advance

Richard McGrorey




 

[rosie99]

Link to other post
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=775334.0

[Milliepede]

couldn't find any information sister in law Sarah Thornby aged 30 born in Warrington on the 1861 censu

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Can't see it at all - who else is on that census please?

[rosie99]

couldn't find any information sister in law Sarah Thornby aged 30 born in Warrington on the 1861 censu

s

Can't see it at all - who else is on that census please?

RG09
Piece number   2872
Folio   118
Page   50

[rosie99]

1861 census living at 307 John st. (right next to Gorton Brook).
                                                                      Thomas 43 Watchman Morley Wilmslow (close to
                                                                                                                                  Styall).
                                                                      Jane 31                        Warrington.
                                                                       Helena Cotton weaver 16 Stean Green, Warrington
                                                                                                            (Never heard of it)
                                                                       Elizabeth cotton weaver 14 Liverpool.
                                                                 Sarah Thornby sister in law   30 Warrington

307 is the Schedule number not a House number.

F M P have transcribed the family as Oak

[Milliepede]

Thank you I wasn't looking properly 

[Wodgemac]

307 is the Schedule number not a House number.

F M P have transcribed the family as Oak

Ahh yes, sorry it's number 1 isn't it.

[rosie99]

307 is the Schedule number not a House number.

F M P have transcribed the family as Oak

Ahh yes, sorry it's number 1 isn't it.

It is not clear on there what the house number is there is no number mentioned, the entries on that 'Census Piece' flit between Gorton Brook & John St plus other streets.

[Wodgemac]

Sorry, I didn't have my glasses on... so it could be 2 or 6 or any other number on John street???

I have copies of Selina's birth certificate, wedding (on Ancestry) and death certificate in 1923
I have Thomas marrying Eliza Sherrat on ancestry, but I can't find him marrying a Roberts.
I also have copies of Elizabeth's birth, marriage to Joseph Vernon and death certificate
and  a copy of Jane Oakes nee Vernon's death certificate, but I don't have anything on Thomas

Another point is that, if Selina's mother was Jane Oakes who died in 1863 aged 32, then, when she had Selina in 1844 she would've been 13???

Is there any chance Anne Oakes died after 1847 and Thomas married Jane, but they never had any children between them?