John Brown Burnell born 1782 Trim, Meath?

[Lesley Marten]

My 4xGGrandfather moved from Ireland to Anglesey around 1840. I can't be sure he was born in Trim but a couple of his children state this as place of birth. Their mother was called Mary, I have no surname. Has anyone got any connections to this family please? Catherine Jane Burnell 1836 and Ann Maria Burnell 1838 are two of the children who state place of birth as Trim in UK census. Thanks for reading.

[BallyaltikilliganG]

hi Lesley could this be a relative
please note the only Burnells in
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/reels/tab//004587398/004587398_00228.pdf is

Surname   Forename   Townland/Street   Parish      County   Year

Burnell   Thomas   Ardbraccan   Ardbraccan   Meath   1825
Burnell   M      Ballybay   Monaghan   1829
Burnell   Henry   Commons Of Rouen   Dysert   Clare   1843
Burnell   Henry   Claunigleighane   Dysert   Clare   1843
Burnell   John   Kiltigura   Dysert   Clare   1843
Burnell   John   Ballyogan Beg   Dysert   Clare   1843
Burnell   Michl   Mheree Commons   Dysert   Clare   1843
Burnell   Maurice   Monaghan   Inishmacsaint   Fermanagh   1834
Burnell   Patk   Castle Quarter   Kilkeedy   Clare   1842
Burnell   Michl   Castle Quarter   Kilkeedy   Clare   1842

[Lesley Marten]

Thank you for taking the time to look up the Burnell family.  I will look into any possible links.

[BallyaltikilliganG]

Hi Lesley, its useful showing your name because one of my searches on GenesReunited showed repeatedly a ‘Les’ treeholder  Surely too much of a coincidence? I think it must be you. I ended up with this list
GenesReunited
Burnell in Holyhead Anglesey
Owen   Burnell   1876   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Jennifer
Hugh   Burnell   1874   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Jennifer
Ann   Burnell   1872   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Jennifer
Edward Burnell   1871   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Jennifer
Catherine Burnell   1868   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Jennifer
Mary   Burnell   1867   Holyhead Anglesey Wa...   No   Les
David   Burnell   1863   Holyhead Anglesey Wa...   No   Les
William Burnell   1860   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Gavin
William Burnell   1860   Holyhead Anglesey Wa...   No   Les
John   Burnell   1858   Holyhead Anglesey Wa...   No   Les
Anne   Burnell   1855   HOLYHEAD Gwynedd Wal...   No   Les
Jane   Burnell   1852   Holyhead Anglesey Wa...   No   Les
Mary   Burnell   1850   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   William
Jonathan Burnell   1847   Holyhead Anglesey Wa...   No   Les
Jonathon Burnell   1847   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   William
Hugh   Burnell   1846   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Jennifer
Hugh   Burnell   1845   HOLYHEAD, Anglesey, ...   No   William
Elizabeth Burnell   1831   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Gavin
Jane   Burnell   1830   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Gavin
Robert   Burnell   1829   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Gavin
Jonathan Burnell   1826   Holyhead Anglesey Wa...   No   Les
Jonathon Burnell   1826   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   William
William Burnell   1825   Anglesey Wales ...      No   Les
William Burnell   1824   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Gavin
Jonathan Burnell   1823   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Gavin
Jonathan Burnell   1800   Not known, Wales ...      No   Les
Jonathan Burnell   1798   Holyhead, Anglesey, ...   No   Gavin

it made me wonder had an earlier Jonathan Burnell come to ireland and become known as John.  then I checked Burnell as a last name in the Oxford Names companion 1998  no explanation! just referred to BROWN where it suggested Brown was given as an anglicization of a Jewish name Burnel and here was I seeking information on a John Brown Burnell ?
carrying on
GenesReunited Burnell in ireland   
John   Burnell/Byrnell   1840   Trim, Meath, Ireland...   No   Margaret
Samuel   Burnell/Byrnell   1838   Trim, Meath, Ireland...   No   Margaret
Ann   Burnell/Byrnell   1837   Trim Meath, Ireland ...   No   Margaret   
Eliza   Burnell   1837   Meath Ireland ...   No   Yvonne   
Catherine   Burnell/Byrnell   1835   Trim, Meath, Ireland...   No   Margaret
Willam   Burnell/Byrnell   1832   Trim, Meath, Ireland...   No   Margaret
Elizabeth   Burnell   1831   Meath, Ireland ...   No   David   Find out more
Eliza   Burnell/Byrnell   1830   Trim, Meath, Ireland...   No   Margaret 
I checked the irish tithes for the spelling Byrnell  without success for all ireland.

do you know of Margarets tree it seems possible she has your Catherine but 1835 not 1836
 and Ann 1837 not 1838, I also thought Gavins tree worth investigating


I speculated could  jonathan b 1800 had joined the army for say 7 years and was sent to ireland  and married there.
 
before I leave the scene the I made a little draft tree of the entries in each census
1841 Census has at Bryn Gwyn Holywood I make up a tree presumably all one family relationship not recorded
B1.Jonathan Burnell b 1801 aged 40  Anglesey        m Abigail Burnell  neeXXXXX b 1801 aged 40   Anglesey
children
B1.1.-B1.7 see census all born Anglesey
1851 Census for Anglesey
address in Liain Ddrain Harp Street Holyhead Anglesey draft includes all b ireland
A1.John Burnell b 1785 aged 66 Ireland Stone Cutter       
Mary Burnell b 1803 age 48  Ireland wife
children
A1.1- A1.5 ie 5 named includes Catherine but missing Ann Maria Burnell 1838
1861 census
address at Bryn Gwyn Holywood
.Jonathan Burnett spelling sic b 1801 aged 60  Anglesey    Boilermaker Pensioner widower   
children Jane Parry b 1830 aged 31 daughter m to William Parry agricultural Labourer
grandson William Burnell b 1844 Anglesey
1871 1881 1891 have run out of time
good luck onwards

[Lesley Marten]

Thank you so much for this information. I haven't been on GenesReunited for many years so will definitely revisit. I think your idea of doing a quick tree of other Burnells is worth me pursuing too. It's possible John may have only been in Ireland for a short while and I hadn't thought of that option before. Interesting that Brown and Burnell are effectively the same name! I think I only have one record that uses both so this may be a red herring. Cheers, Lesley.