1841 census Clowes Buildings, Hunt's Bank, Manchester

[heywood]

Maddy,
You have included the status of the first two people who are the 1841 census who are John and Mary Croston.

The first Brotherton female is ‘Margt’ not Mary and there is no mention that she is Thomas’ wife. It is likely that she is though.

Thomas is 59yrs a Watchman and born in county
Margaret is also born in county

 There are baptisms to Thomas and Margaret Brotherton in Ribchester but Thomas is a Weaver
Richard 23rd Jan 1820
Then there is Margaret Ann 1829 baptised in Manchester - Thomas is a labourer.

These might be the ones here although I can’t see Martha but you would have to check and see if they are in other censuses perhaps.

[Pendlewitch67]

The way the image reads is:

Tho Brotherton      29     Porter         yes
Mary (do)              30    Wife              no
Rich^d (do)             21   Railway Guard     yes
Margt  (do)           12                      yes
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Martha (do)          5     nothing       yes
James  (do)         30    Hatter         yes
Eliz^th(do)             27                       yes
Reuben (do)      6months             yes

Hi Maddy

Thank you.

That's great. Pretty frustrating that the transcript on Family Search is in a different order do you don't know the household grouping or, as in this case, whether they are related at all. Nowadays that enumerator would get the sack.

I have found in 1851 in Manchester Thomas, Margaret and Margaret aged 22. As there are often inaccuracies I am beginning to wonder if they may actually be correct.

Thomas, Margaret, Richard,Margaret and Martha one group and then James, Elizabeth and Reuben another.

[heywood]

Hi Maddy

Thank you.

That's great. Pretty frustrating that the transcript on Family Search is in a different order do you don't know the household grouping or, as in this case, whether they are related at all. Nowadays that enumerator would get the sack.

Unfortunately, that information is wrong. Please read my message.

[heywood]

The units from the census are:

John Croston 29yrs
Mary -do - 30 yrs
//
Thos Brotherton 50 yrs
Margt -do- 48 yrs
Richd -do- 21 yrs
Marg - do- 12 yrs
Martha -do- 5 yrs
/
James -do- 30 yrs
Elizth - do- 27yrs
Reuben -do- 6 months
/
Jas Summers 66 yrs
Elizth -do- 71 yrs
//

[heywood]

They are all dittoed so maybe not the same surname.

There is a baptism
14th March 1841
Reuben Nicholson with parents James, a Hatter and Betsey.

A marriage 23rd December 1840
James Nicholson, Hatter, Oldham Road and Betsey Greenall, Hunts Bank.

Added:
The age isn’t right though
Birth March quarter 1841 Reuben Nicholson

This is interesting. It is from the damaged census so difficult to read.

1851 2227/ 655/12
Chapel Street Manchester

Thomas Brotherton 60 yrs labourer
Margaret -do-    58 yrs
Margert  -do- daur 29 yrs  (age not clear and married?)
Martha Greenalls  relative 20 yrs

[Pendlewitch67]

They are all dittoed so maybe not the same surname.

There is a baptism
14th March 1841
Reuben Nicholson with parents James, a Hatter and Betsey.

A marriage 23rd December 1840
James Nicholson, Hatter, Oldham Road and Betsey Greenall, Hunts Bank.

Added:
The age isn’t right though
Birth March quarter 1841 Reuben Nicholson

This is interesting. It is from the damaged census so difficult to read.

1851 2227/ 655/12
Chapel Street Manchester

Thomas Brotherton 60 yrs labourer
Margaret -do-    58 yrs
Margert  -do- daur 29 yrs  (age not clear and married?)
Martha Greenalls  relative 20 yrs

The transcript gives Margarets age as 22 which would fit.

Thank you 

[Pendlewitch67]

The units from the census are:

John Croston 29yrs
Mary -do - 30 yrs
//
Thos Brotherton 50 yrs
Margt -do- 48 yrs
Richd -do- 21 yrs
Marg - do- 12 yrs
Martha -do- 5 yrs
/
James -do- 30 yrs
Elizth - do- 27yrs
Reuben -do- 6 months
/
Jas Summers 66 yrs
Elizth -do- 71 yrs
//

As mentioned earlier Richard is probably the son baptised in Ribchester in 1820. Weaving would fit Thomas' occupation for the area. If Margaret and Martha were born elsewhere to Ribchester their baptisms may just not be available on the same website.

[heywood]

I don’t know how interested you are in these Manchester Brothertons but here is a bit more possible information. Some is repeated from earlier.

Marriage 1819 Ribchester
Thomas Brotherton and Margaret Greenalls  -witness Richard Greenalls

Ribchester baptisms to Thomas (Weaver) and Margaret
1820, Richard - abode Ribchester
1824, James - Ribchester

Then there are others to ‘Thomas and Margaret’ in Longridge, Colne etc.

Manchester
1829 Margaret Ann Brotherton to Thomas (Labourer) and Margaret

1851 - already mentioned
Chapel Street - Thomas, 2 Margarets and relative Martha Greenalls


1849 - marriage Leeds
Richard Brotherton, Railway Officer - father Thomas Brotherton, Gentleman
Hannah Norbury

1851 census Leeds
Richard is a Railway Guard b Ribchester

1855 - marriage
Charles Barker
Margaret Ann Brotherton 26 yrs - father Thomas Brotherton , Joiner
Addresses for both Chapel Street/Lloyd Street


Witnesses Richard Greenall and Martha Brotherton
Added:

It could be that Elizabeth Greenall who married James Nicholson, and was the mother of Reuben was the daughter of Margaret Greenall Brotherton. This would then make them a family group in that 1841 census.

Quite a bit to sort out 

[Pendlewitch67]

I don’t know how interested you are in these Manchester Brothertons but here is a bit more possible information. Some is repeated from earlier.

Marriage 1819 Ribchester
Thomas Brotherton and Margaret Greenalls  -witness Richard Greenalls

Ribchester baptisms to Thomas (Weaver) and Margaret
1820, Richard - abode Ribchester
1824, James - Ribchester

Then there are others to ‘Thomas and Margaret’ in Longridge, Colne etc.

Manchester
1829 Margaret Ann Brotherton to Thomas (Labourer) and Margaret

1851 - already mentioned
Chapel Street - Thomas, 2 Margarets and relative Martha Greenalls


1849 - marriage Leeds
Richard Brotherton, Railway Officer - father Thomas Brotherton, Gentleman
Hannah Norbury

1851 census Leeds
Richard is a Railway Guard b Ribchester

1855 - marriage
Charles Barker
Margaret Ann Brotherton 26 yrs - father Thomas Brotherton , Joiner
Addresses for both Chapel Street/Lloyd Street


Witnesses Richard Greenall and Martha Brotherton

Quite a bit to sort out 

Thank you.

I had a quick look into Thomas and Margaret. I believe Thomas may be the son of Peter and Ann, born in Colne but Peter originally from elsewhere. At the moment I don't believe they are connected to my family but I will continue to dig to verify.

I will also investigate James, Mary and Reuben further. Reuben was who got me started in the first place.