Mary Norris dom. servant to the Crawfords of Clauchaig Farm, Kilmory 1861

[MonicaL]

issyb2010, with the new info, just wanted to add a little more for you to consider.

You have been looking at the farming family of Donald and Margaret Crawford who farmed at Clauchaig Farm. Understandably as this is where Mary Norris showed in 1861. However, they do not seem to have had a son called Archibald that I can see.

There is also at Clauchaig Farm another Crawford family:

John Crawford 51 Farmer Of 48 Acres
Catherine Crawford 44    
Janet Crawford 19    
John Crawford 17    
Archibald Crawford 15    
Catherine Crawford 10    
Eliza Crawford 8
Margaret Crawford 6
Mary Crawford 4
Jane Mcguire 25 Servant
Bella Mcfarlane 21 Servant
Thomas Hamilton 12 Servant

Address: Clauchaig Farm

Could this be Archibald and the household that Mary was referring to that she was residing at in her 1866 application? Hopefully more details can be found in original documents that shed more light.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Archibald not at the farm in 1871 but back there from 1881. In 1891, he looks to be running farm:

Archibald Crawford 45 Head farmer
Elizabeth Crawford 37 Sister
Janet Grogan 49 Sister
John Buchannan 45 Bro in Law (Brother-in-law)
Maggie Buchannan 35 Sister
Maggie Barclay 22 Niece
Mary Buchannan 3 Months Niece
Elizabeth Barclay 19 Niece
Janet Shields 8 Boarder

Address: Clachog, Kilmory

By 1901, John Buchannan has taken over the running of the farm, and Archibald is showing as Farm Servant Ploughman.

Monica

[MonicaL]

This looks to be connected to Mary's application for relief. The decision by the Parochial Board. There must be separate notes relation to her actual application with the info you found earlier Rosie.

[rosie17]

On the application form Mary Norris says she had been a servant with Donald Crawford for 7years
 At Clauchaig Farm ..
Birth certificate also on  tree for Archibald Crawford Norris
Born 4 March 1867 Ballymenoch Kilmory Parish
Mother Mary Norris General farm servant
No mention of a father

I would say that is the Archibald mentioned on the 1861 census Monica

Rosie

[MonicaL]

Rosie, can you post a link to the tree please so I can have a quick look? ADDED: Don't worry, have found it. Gosh there are an awful lot of trees for these lines! Good to see that many have original material attached to them.

Forfarian, the death you mentioned in Glasgow in 1873 is the correct one for Mary, daughter of Patrick and Alice. She is showing as married to a William McLaughlan, boilermaker journeyman.

Monica

[Forfarian]

As a Roman Catholic, Mary would not have been summoned by the Kirk Session, but Archibald could have been, if he was a member of the Church of Scotland. If so, and the KS minutes have survived, that might confirm that he was the father.

I still think that young Archibald's parochial board application, if it can be found, is likely to be the key to this.

If Mary had been in residence in Kilmory for 7 years by 1866, she must have been sent out to work there very soon after the death of Alice Corrigan or Norris, which further strengthens the idea that Patrick and Alice were her parents.

There is no statutory record of a marriage of any Mary Norris between 1867 and 1873, to William McLaughlan or anyone else. Nor is there a reference in the RC records, or in the Irish statutory records, or in FreeBMD.

[MonicaL]

I couldn't see a marriage for them between 1867-73. Wondered whether there was no marriage or irregular? The only thing for 1871 that I could see was:

William McLachlan 25 lodger rivetter b. Glasgow
Mary McLachlan 24 lodger b. Glasgow

They are lodging at 47 King St, Clyde Glasgow

The only other thing I found was the birth of a Thomas Norris to a Mary Norris in Glasgow in 1869 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQ5R-8XT  Thomas, I think, died in 1870 in Glasgow.

Monica

[MonicaL]

Just for the record here, this is a snip of Mary Norris's death reg:

[rosie17]

Well done Monica you have been busy ..Sorry I could not post a link to the tree don't know how to copy and paste  .As you said looking for the poor relief record for Archibald Crawford Norris would be the best thing to do

Rosie