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Census remarks
« on: Friday 28 May 21 20:40 BST (UK) »
Been browsing an 1821 census, and fascinating but odd to see such things as "bastard" "idiot" or "husband gone in madhouse"!
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Re: Census remarks
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 29 May 21 16:08 BST (UK) »
You may also be fascinated by this transcript of the 1816 census of Rothbury Parish, I certainly was!

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NBL/Rothbury/Rothbury1816

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Re: Census remarks
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 29 May 21 16:14 BST (UK) »
"Bastard" was a description of an illegitimate child.
"Idiot" was a person of low intelligence.

I don't see the problem?
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Re: Census remarks
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 29 May 21 16:37 BST (UK) »
"Bastard" was a description of an illegitimate child.
"Idiot" was a person of low intelligence.

I don't see the problem?

 I interpreted the original post as saying the poster was fascinated - not that he found a problem understanding the meaning.

I too find it fascinating that what we, from a present day point of view, would see as derogatory terminology was commonplace and acceptable way back then.
Its part and parcel of finding out about the past and how different it sometimes was to what we have experienced.

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« Reply #4 on: Saturday 29 May 21 16:49 BST (UK) »
Boo - what a fascinating transcript, but I do find it a bit strange in that so much emphasis appears to be placed on the number of bibles and/or prayer books which were in a particular household.  The inhabitants were, obviously, very well educated in 1816.  :-\

As far as "bastard", "idiot" etc were concerned, I think that our ancestors said it as it was.


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Re: Census remarks
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 29 May 21 17:01 BST (UK) »
Boo - what a fascinating transcript, but I do find it a bit strange in that so much emphasis appears to be placed on the number of bibles and/or prayer books which were in a particular household. 

That's because it was a Parish census carried out by the Vicar, Reverend L. V. Vernon Harcourt.
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« Reply #6 on: Saturday 29 May 21 17:10 BST (UK) »
Whether it was a parish census or not, I was amazed at the number of bibles/prayer books and (on my part) an assumption that therefore the population in 1816 was so literate, and perhaps, had money available to spend on such items.  Ah! perhaps they were given away by the church.  :-\

Apologies if I'm being too flippant.  :-X
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« Reply #7 on: Saturday 29 May 21 17:11 BST (UK) »
Boo - what a fascinating transcript, but I do find it a bit strange in that so much emphasis appears to be placed on the number of bibles and/or prayer books which were in a particular household.  The inhabitants were, obviously, very well educated in 1816.  :-\

As far as "bastard", "idiot" etc were concerned, I think that our ancestors said it as it was.

My understanding is that this was a  'personal census' taken in 1816 by the Reverend
L.V. Vernon Harcourt to record what religious material was in each household within his parish.

As for being well educated, I am unsure, Bibles, Prayer books etc may have been given out by the church, perhaps funded by the local 'gentry' so may have been common - knowing how to read them may have been less common :-)

I've seen a couple of these random parish 'census' or survey, usually done by the Vicar - there was one for Whickham Parish, County Durham in 1835 by the Rev W Gould, which he entitled "Speculum Gregis of Whickham Parish'
He recorded the name of the head of household, whether or not they had a spouse,numbers of children, which school the children went to, where the parents had married, what means of religious instruction were in each home - and some remarks about the members of each household. Again the remarks could be quite scathing, but they are super things to read. and a brilliant insight into the times.
The remark for one of my ancestors was 'drinks often', so there may be something to genetics after all :-)

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Re: Census remarks
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 29 May 21 17:30 BST (UK) »
You may also be fascinated by this transcript of the 1816 census of Rothbury Parish, I certainly was!

https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/NBL/Rothbury/Rothbury1816

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Fascinating, Boo. I was puzzled to find some "Whigs" near the end when there had been none beforehand. Turns out it's probably not a political label but (per Wikipedia) referred to Scottish Covenanters - distinct from the mere Presbyterians though they must have been that too.

Incidentally (Wiki again) the term "idiot" was used for the least mentally able, below "imbecile", itself below "moron". Good that we've (mostly) stopped using such terms.
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