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Re: Another Sutherland born in Sutherland Scotland
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 30 May 21 00:05 BST (UK) »
Is this the birth for Margaret Ann? In 1865 rather than 1868?

Margaret Ann SUTHERLAND
1865
Ref 083/ 10
Tarbat (Ross and Cromarty)

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This looks to be the family in 1871:

Jess Sutherland 47 cooper's wife b. Loth
James Sutherland 18 seaman
Margaretet (as indexed by a/try) Sutherland 6

Address: 1 Hill St Tarbat
   

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Re: Another Sutherland born in Sutherland Scotland
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 30 May 21 07:49 BST (UK) »
James Sutherland   B 1852 Portahmact Ross have i spelt that correct
Portmahomack.

http://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NH9184
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Re: Another Sutherland born in Sutherland Scotland
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 30 May 21 08:42 BST (UK) »
I thought too there was a gap in  Margaret Ann's birth I thought I had the birth but sorry it was the marriage in 1890 and it states she is 22 so I deducted that for her birth

I have looked for a birth but not found any yet

Thank you both again
I see another page entered must look now

Elizabeth
McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth & N/Z .Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,East Hollywell.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns Brechin.Thompson's ,Spittal. Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland & Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland. Stark's Kyloe & Tweedmouth .Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew Farmer Turnbull Berwick , Pool and Black Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth

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Re: Another Sutherland born in Sutherland Scotland
« Reply #12 on: Sunday 30 May 21 09:15 BST (UK) »
Bingo I have got the death of John Sutherland  this morning
5th Aug 1886 at Portahmact aged 66 father Colin Sutherland ( I have a few John Colin's and a Colin Sutherland's ) and mother Janet McIntosh  Jane signs with a x widow
Thank you all once again
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McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth & N/Z .Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,East Hollywell.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns Brechin.Thompson's ,Spittal. Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland & Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland. Stark's Kyloe & Tweedmouth .Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew Farmer Turnbull Berwick , Pool and Black Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth


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Re: Another Sutherland born in Sutherland Scotland
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 30 May 21 11:22 BST (UK) »
Found the marriage of Colin and Janet two dates shown on familysearch
one 21.1.1810 the other 21.2.1810
In S/P 1841 census they are living at Gartymore
Colin head of house aged 56
Janet wife aged 45
John Son 20
George Son 18
Gordon Son 16
Jean Daughter 14

Something once more doesn't add up here
In 1841census  Janet is 45 that makes her born 1796
she is married in 1810 so that only makes her 14 on her wedding day
That cannot be right can it
Elizabeth


McKenzie,Helmsdale.,Mackay's,Gordon's,Polsons,Sutherland's,Loth & N/Z .Watson ,Munro,Pitsligo.Black. Harle ,East Hollywell.Black,and Short East Hollywell.Northumberland Gair, Amble,Douglas,Amble,Mitchell ,Fettercairns,Lyall, Brechin .Mearns Brechin.Thompson's ,Spittal. Maghie,Young .Raey Cumberland & Newcastle & Glasgow .Gilroy, Northumberland. Stark's Kyloe & Tweedmouth .Skeen's Tweedmouth.Gregsons Northumberland & America. Andrew Farmer Turnbull Berwick , Pool and Black Hull.Lounton Tweedmouth

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Re: Another Sutherland born in Sutherland Scotland
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 30 May 21 16:15 BST (UK) »
Something once more doesn't add up here
In 1841census  Janet is 45 that makes her born 1796
she is married in 1810 so that only makes her 14 on her wedding day
That cannot be right can it
Elizabeth
In the 1841 census adults' ages were supposed to be rounded down to the nearest 5 years. So someone who is recorded as 45 could be any age from 45 to 49. The census was taken on 7 June 1841, so a person recorded as 45 could have been born as early as 8 June 1791 or as late as 7 June 1796.

If she was born in 1791 she would have been 19 at the beginning of 1810.

Or she might have got her age wrong, or the person who supplied the information might have got it wrong.

The law allowed a girl to marry at age 14, so it's not impossible, though in practice it didn't happen.

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Re: Another Sutherland born in Sutherland Scotland
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 30 May 21 19:49 BST (UK) »
Bingo I have got the death of John Sutherland  this morning
5th Aug 1886 ...

Bingo indeed  ;) Great you found it.

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Re: Another Sutherland born in Sutherland Scotland
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 30 May 21 20:45 BST (UK) »
Colin and wife Janet are still around for 1851:

Colin Sutherland 60 crofter b. Loth
Janet Sutherland 57 b. Loth
Jean Sutherland 23 b. Loth

Address: Gartymore, Kildonan

There is this entry on a/try so not confident on accuracy. Has Colin remarried?:

Coline Sutherland 71 Head cottar 2.5 acres
Jane Sutherland 38 b. Littman, Caithness

Address: Gartymore Between The Burns To The Top Of The Hill As Described On The Other Side (like this description!).

There is a marriage on 7 Dec 1860 in Kildonan for a Colin sutherland and a Jane Gunn. I can't see a death for a Janet McIntosh/Sutherland post 1855.

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Re: Another Sutherland born in Sutherland Scotland
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 30 May 21 20:47 BST (UK) »
I wonder if this relates to this Colin Sutherland:

Colin Sutherland
Age: 19
Birth Date: abt 1790
Birth Place: Loth, Sutherland
Military Date: 20 Apr 1809
Unit: 71st Foot Soldiers, 2nd Battalion

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