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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #81 on: Friday 18 June 21 08:39 BST (UK) »
Morning,
Just a thought do you think at some time  there could have been a P in Thomson?? I have tried alternate spellings of the surname.
Fulkes/Fulks/Fulke. Yates, Ashton,Gamage, Jefkins,Lowen, Pooley,Colcock, Bellchambers, all London, Surrey, Sussex Middlesex
Jones, Reece, Granger, Treherne, Worrall Ward, Weeks, Morrey,Thomas, Owen, Dorsett, Hinton all started out in Shropshire

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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #82 on: Friday 18 June 21 09:05 BST (UK) »
Just a thought do you think at some time  there could have been a P in Thomson?? I have tried alternate spellings of the surname.
There could have been, though Thomson is by far the commoner spelling in Scotland.

If you use the Quick Search on SP to look for T*m*s*n it produces 1,261,282 results. Thomson produces 1,115,913 (88%) and Thompson 111,476 (9%). So there are 33893 (3%) with other spellings.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #83 on: Friday 18 June 21 09:06 BST (UK) »
WOW that is a lot to get through lol.
I am at present trying to start at the 1871 census to try and find him. Hopefully will get a few of the census done to day. This whole family is a mystery
Fulkes/Fulks/Fulke. Yates, Ashton,Gamage, Jefkins,Lowen, Pooley,Colcock, Bellchambers, all London, Surrey, Sussex Middlesex
Jones, Reece, Granger, Treherne, Worrall Ward, Weeks, Morrey,Thomas, Owen, Dorsett, Hinton all started out in Shropshire

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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #84 on: Friday 18 June 21 11:38 BST (UK) »
From earlier posts (thread getting long  ::)), I think this is where we had got to with earlier census entries:

1871

Andrew Thomson 50 Bricklayer Labourer  b. Ireland
Margaret Thomson 47 b. Ireland
Mary Thomson 17 powerloom weaver daughter b. Glasgow
Bridgt Duff 28 powerloom weaver daughter married b. Ireland
Susan Duff 8 granddaughter b. Glasgow www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FQWH-98K
John Kennedy 3 Grandson b. Glasgow

Address: 21 East Hope St, Glasgow/ Calton


1881

Hugh Cairns 49 cotton weaver b. Ireland
Bridget Thomson 40 Housekeeper b. Ireland
John Thomson 12   Housekeeper Son (Housekeeper)
George Lavery 56  Boarder cotton weaver b. Ireland

Address:  79 Whitevale St, Glasgow/Camlachie

1891

Hugh Cairns 59 Head Hand Loom Weaver b. Ireland
Bridget Duff 54 Housekeeper b. Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Mary A Thomson 1 Adopted Daur b. Glasgow, Lanarkshire

Address:  79 Whitevale St, Glasgow/Camlachie


1851 and 1861 entries for Bridget with her family are included on that family tree link I posted earlier.

Charlotte Campbell is with her family prior to her marriage in August 1891.

So what are we missing?:

1891-1911 for John Thomson
1901 - for Bridget Thomson
1901 for Charlotte Campbell

Mary Ann Thomson b. 1889, we have her birth and 1891 entry so far.

Susan/nah Duff b. 1862, we have her birth entry on the FS index and 1871 census entry.

No confirmed deaths for John Thomson although the one found by Sancti looks a good possibilty.

Bridget Thomson, can't easily see her death so far.

Charlotte Campbell, Sancti has found her like death on the SP index (would need to be ordered given the year to be able to confirm).

Regarding John Thomson showing as a widower when he married Charlotte in 1891. We have found his 1888 marriage to Mary Ann Black, who died in 1889. The addresses on these registrations all link back to Bridget Thomson's address, 79 Whitevale St, Camlachie.

Monica







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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #85 on: Friday 18 June 21 12:08 BST (UK) »
Just as a side note. Hugh Cairns, with whom Bridget Thomson/Duff was living with for a number of years, looks to have been at 79 Whitevale Street for many years. I think this is likely him with family in 1861 (he shows at this address from at least 1861-91):

Hugh Cairns 29 Hand Loom Weaver b. Ireland    
Jean Cairns 25 b. Ireland
Elizabeth Cairns 6
Margeret Cairns 10 months
   
Address: 79 Whitevale Street

In 1881, he is just with daughter Elizabeth. 1881-91, he has Bridget with him showing as housekeeper as we have above.

Monica

PS: Later general photos of Whitevale Street here https://vm.colinwaddell.com/search/?tags=Whitevale+Street
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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #86 on: Friday 18 June 21 12:24 BST (UK) »
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NAME:   George Thomson
AGE:   32
BIRTH DATE:   1826
FORMER RESIDENCE:   Reid Steeet, Bridgeton, Glasgow
PLACE FOUND OR EXAMINED:   Barnhill Poorhouse, Glasgow
OCCUPATION:   Weaver
ADMISSION DATE:   23 Feb 1858
INSTITUTION:   Barony Poorhouse, Barnhill, Glasgow
ADMISSION PLACE:   Lanarkshire, Scotland
NEXT OF KIN:   James Thomson
NEXT OF KIN RELATION TO PATIENT:   Brother
NEXT OF KIN RESIDENCE:   Union Lane, Calton, Glasgow
NEXT OF KIN OCCUPATION:   Weaver
REGISTER TYPE:   Notices of Admissions
Fulkes/Fulks/Fulke. Yates, Ashton,Gamage, Jefkins,Lowen, Pooley,Colcock, Bellchambers, all London, Surrey, Sussex Middlesex
Jones, Reece, Granger, Treherne, Worrall Ward, Weeks, Morrey,Thomas, Owen, Dorsett, Hinton all started out in Shropshire

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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #87 on: Friday 18 June 21 14:48 BST (UK) »
THOMSON
MARY ANN
65
BLACK
2002
606/ 797
Glasgow, Martha St
Fulkes/Fulks/Fulke. Yates, Ashton,Gamage, Jefkins,Lowen, Pooley,Colcock, Bellchambers, all London, Surrey, Sussex Middlesex
Jones, Reece, Granger, Treherne, Worrall Ward, Weeks, Morrey,Thomas, Owen, Dorsett, Hinton all started out in Shropshire

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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #88 on: Friday 18 June 21 15:26 BST (UK) »
This is what I have found for Charlotte
Fulkes/Fulks/Fulke. Yates, Ashton,Gamage, Jefkins,Lowen, Pooley,Colcock, Bellchambers, all London, Surrey, Sussex Middlesex
Jones, Reece, Granger, Treherne, Worrall Ward, Weeks, Morrey,Thomas, Owen, Dorsett, Hinton all started out in Shropshire

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Re: John Thomson b 1868 Barnhill Poorhouse Springburn Glasgow
« Reply #89 on: Friday 18 June 21 15:38 BST (UK) »
Good find, Diana.

This is possibly the second marriage:

William HOWITT and Charlotte CAMPBELL
1918
644/10 139
Blythswood

So, John's death before this date.

Monica
   
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