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Re: Mysterious married couple (Brick wall)
« Reply #45 on: Sunday 04 July 21 18:51 BST (UK) »
I think it just says married Lockerbie Scotland, written in a bit of a scrawl.
Under Benjamin it says born Penrith Cumberland
Then it is possibly indicating that Benjamin is married with 3 children?
Then that he is living at 15 Little Windmill Street

So that's all about Benjamin.
Then that James and Ann have come from 15 Little Windmill Street
Possibly that they had been there 16 months? 18 Nov 1880
Before that in Newcastle.

That might be the gist! They usually go something like that!

That adds up, in 1882 Benjamin did have three children (well he had two others also from a previous marriage in Newcastle but lets not go there! Lol)

I will continue searching for that marriage, even if the year isn't right... the location helps! Failing finding a marriage in Lockerbie I suppose I could attempt to revisit Gretna border marriages. I wish I knew the reality for the ages being all over the place.

The exam is honestly a lovely thing to have (although that may sound strange!) I can't thank you enough for finding that! I don't have much in my possession regarding documents for the family, I have a picture of Benjamin and a post card that was sent to one of Benjamin's daughters which I found on ebay of all things! Various things from newspapers but that is about all I have. I honestly thought I had found everything there was to find online in regards to Benjamin and his parents

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Re: Mysterious married couple (Brick wall)
« Reply #46 on: Sunday 04 July 21 19:06 BST (UK) »
I think it just says married Lockerbie Scotland, written in a bit of a scrawl.
Under Benjamin it says born Penrith Cumberland
Then it is possibly indicating that Benjamin is married with 3 children?
Then that he is living at 15 Little Windmill Street

So that's all about Benjamin.
Then that James and Ann have come from 15 Little Windmill Street
Possibly that they had been there 16 months? 18 Nov 1880
Before that in Newcastle.

That might be the gist! They usually go something like that!

I read the exam as:

Gilbank James 78 on 27 of next June
he's married to Ann Read ---- wife 74 the 22 next August at Lockerbie Scotland in 1840 no cert not married before

not sure what that it says in the top portion apart from that, inc all children and dead in their infancy at the end possibly?

and the rest is obviously as you said :)

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Re: Mysterious married couple (Brick wall)
« Reply #47 on: Sunday 04 July 21 19:34 BST (UK) »
Hi
I think we have most of it now, bar a few words (or the odd line!)
Pity there's not more, but those exams are usually interesting.

James hasn't left much trace really, haven't seen him in the newspapers. Which also bring our folks to life, don't they, if they manage to get in them. Probably they didn't want to, because they usually only reported ordinary folks if they had been naughty, or met with a horrible accident!
Benjamin in Fulham may have been asking for a copy of Napoleon speaks (should be talks?) of war, boys, in Songs and Recitations Wanted in the Newcastle Courant, 13 Feb 1892. There may be good news for him on the 27th!
But I don't have access to it (it's just a line)

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Re: Mysterious married couple (Brick wall)
« Reply #48 on: Sunday 04 July 21 19:47 BST (UK) »
Hi
I think we have most of it now, bar a few words (or the odd line!)
Pity there's not more, but those exams are usually interesting.

James hasn't left much trace really, haven't seen him in the newspapers. Which also bring our folks to life, don't they, if they manage to get in them. Probably they didn't want to, because they usually only reported ordinary folks if they had been naughty, or met with a horrible accident!
Benjamin in Fulham may have been asking for a copy of Napoleon speaks (should be talks?) of war, boys, in Songs and Recitations Wanted in the Newcastle Courant, 13 Feb 1892. There may be good news for him on the 27th!
But I don't have access to it (it's just a line)

I do have a subscription to the Britishnewspaper archives, as I hoped to find anything relating to James and Ann, however I know there is many articles in Fulham which mention Benjamin or his children. He was a vestryman for the council and I believe he done some charity work also. I found Benjamin's obituary on there some time ago, but there was never one for either of his parents. Which was a shame. I could spend hours on the paper archives reading all sorts! I even came across a story on my great grandfather being fined for being drunk in the streets. An interesting bunch we seem to be  ;D


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Re: Mysterious married couple (Brick wall)
« Reply #49 on: Sunday 04 July 21 19:55 BST (UK) »
having said that I can't seem to find the one you refer to in Newcastle?

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Re: Mysterious married couple (Brick wall)
« Reply #50 on: Sunday 04 July 21 20:10 BST (UK) »
I was just doing a sweep of the North East region only, 1850-99, for Gillbanks, Gilbanks, Gilbank, etc.
Because of the problems of the misread text, the less you can put in to search for the better! Lucky it's a fairly rare name. That brought up Binjamin Gillbank.
Perhaps he had a piano in the house?

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Re: Mysterious married couple (Brick wall)
« Reply #51 on: Sunday 04 July 21 20:28 BST (UK) »
I was just doing a sweep of the North East region only, 1850-99, for Gillbanks, Gilbanks, Gilbank, etc.
Because of the problems of the misread text, the less you can put in to search for the better! Lucky it's a fairly rare name. That brought up Binjamin Gillbank.
Perhaps he had a piano in the house?

Just had a look through my records, 1891 he lived in 20 Upper Mall hammersmith (little difficult to work out which one it is on street view). 1892 he lived in 44 Mendora road Fulham, then from 1893 he was in 17 Ancill street Fulham until the turn of the century I think. I know between 1910 and his death in 1914 he lived in Danehurst street until about 1913 he moved to Kingwood road.  I have checked some of these places out on Zoopla and it does make me wonder what could possibly be lurking in the loft's undiscovered

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Re: Mysterious married couple (Brick wall)
« Reply #52 on: Sunday 04 July 21 20:34 BST (UK) »
I must say though, that is a beautiful bit of music! I had never heard it before but even at the age of 24 I thoroughly enjoyed that

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Re: Mysterious married couple (Brick wall)
« Reply #53 on: Sunday 04 July 21 20:45 BST (UK) »
Pleased you liked it!