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Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« Reply #18 on: Monday 05 July 21 15:37 BST (UK) »

Did Henry sign his full name on the marriage cert and if so have you compared the 'James' with John's signature on the 1911 census?  He uses a distinctive 'J'.


You should also be able to tell from the signature on the marriage cert if Sophia filled out the 1911 census.

There is a child missing.

Debra  :)

Hi Debra,  yes I'm curious about that apparent missing child also.  I've been trawling for a birth entry that might match up but nothing yet.  Only a few more months until the 1921 census is released so maybe that will tell me  ;)  Thanks.
Lynch, Callaghan, Smith, Gargan - Meath
Corcoran - Cavan
Humphrey - Kent
Davis - Hampshire and Middlesex
Glen - Northumberland (possibly)
Holsgrove - Middlesex and Devon
Baker - London

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Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« Reply #19 on: Monday 05 July 21 15:59 BST (UK) »
Henry's attestation for ASC is on FindMyPast which has his signature.

Henry also has a birthmark on shoulder (doesn't say which one) and tattoo on left forearm. He's 5ft 5 in (age 19 so might grow), has fair complexion, brown hair and blue eyes, weighs 115 lb, chest min 33 in, max 35 in.
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« Reply #20 on: Monday 05 July 21 16:06 BST (UK) »
Just realised I made a typo in my long post earlier, Doris gave her father's name as James GLEN deceased when she married in 1939, not John. 
Lynch, Callaghan, Smith, Gargan - Meath
Corcoran - Cavan
Humphrey - Kent
Davis - Hampshire and Middlesex
Glen - Northumberland (possibly)
Holsgrove - Middlesex and Devon
Baker - London

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Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« Reply #21 on: Monday 05 July 21 16:16 BST (UK) »
Henry's attestation for ASC is on FindMyPast which has his signature.

Henry also has a birthmark on shoulder (doesn't say which one) and tattoo on left forearm. He's 5ft 5 in (age 19 so might grow), has fair complexion, brown hair and blue eyes, weighs 115 lb, chest min 33 in, max 35 in.

Hi, yes I have that too.  The naval record I have for James says he has tattoos on both arms (its a few years later) but of course that wouldn't be very unusual.  I am not great on analysing handwriting but it might be a different hand from the 1911 census.  Thanks. 
Lynch, Callaghan, Smith, Gargan - Meath
Corcoran - Cavan
Humphrey - Kent
Davis - Hampshire and Middlesex
Glen - Northumberland (possibly)
Holsgrove - Middlesex and Devon
Baker - London


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Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« Reply #22 on: Monday 05 July 21 16:25 BST (UK) »
Henry's attestation for ASC is on FindMyPast which has his signature.

Henry also has a birthmark on shoulder (doesn't say which one) and tattoo on left forearm. He's 5ft 5 in (age 19 so might grow), has fair complexion, brown hair and blue eyes, weighs 115 lb, chest min 33 in, max 35 in.

Hi, yes I have that too.  The naval record I have for James says he has tattoos on both arms (its a few years later) but of course that wouldn't be very unusual.  I am not great on analysing handwriting but it might be a different hand from the 1911 census.  Thanks.

Yes you can easily add a tattoo.
Does the naval record give height and eye colour?
Berks / Oxon: Eltham, Annetts, Wiltshire (surname not county), Hawkins, Pembroke, Partridge
Dorset / Hants: Derham, Stride, Purkiss, Sibley
Yorkshire: Pottage, Carr, Blackburn, Depledge
Sussex: Goodyer, Christopher, Trevatt
Lanark: Scott (soldier went to Jersey CI)
Jersey: Fowler, Huelin, Scott

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Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« Reply #23 on: Monday 05 July 21 19:44 BST (UK) »
I have some instances of name changes in my ex's tree.

He has an Irish branch, who started off as McCarthy.  His great grandfather's birth was registered as McCarthy in 1866 but on 1871 census they are recorded as Carter.  I was able to verify this as some of their children, including one who was blind, so easier to identify, stayed as McCarthy and Charles' parents reverted to McCarthy on their death certs.
I don't know WHY they changed their names, but in 1868 there was a Fenian (fore runners of the IRA) attempt to free a prisoner which involved an explosion near the prison resulting in the deaths of some bystanders.  Public anti-Irish sentiment was running high.

Chowns in Buckinghamshire
Broad, Eplett & Pope in St Ervan/St Columb Major, Cornwall
Browning & Moore in Cambridge, St Andrew the Less
Emms, Mealing & Purvey in Cotswolds, Gloucestershire
Barnes, Dunt, Gray, Massingham in Norfolk
Higho in London
Matthews & Nash in Whichford, Warwickshire
Smoothy, Willsher in Coggeshall & Chelmsford, Essex

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Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« Reply #24 on: Monday 05 July 21 19:53 BST (UK) »
Does the naval record give height and eye colour?

5 ft 3 ¾ in. He might need to have shrunk! Hazel eyes.
Arms were indeed covered in tattoos!
Is he the James Glen born 1887 with a CR10 card in the British merchant seamen records (1918) :-\
They usually have a photo (not of the arms though!)

Baptisms on ancestry of Louis Henry and Hilda Sophia at Bedfont.
Father Henry James in ASC, then Labourer.
What was he up to in Southampton in 1909?

If that is the correct James Glen of the Menes in the Liverpool crew list in 1910, and age and birthplace suggest it ought to be, then his previous ship was the Teutonic. Which was then running from Southampton to New York.
So he could have met Sophia in Southampton.

During 1911 the Teutonic was switched to Liverpool - Montreal, and James Glen joined the crew in September!

Earlier that year he was on the Lackawanna, from 4 January to 13 February.
Discharged at Birkenhead??
Next engagement in June (Cedric to New York)
So he ought to have been at home for the 1911 census? As he apparently is, of course.

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Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« Reply #25 on: Monday 05 July 21 20:19 BST (UK) »
I have a name change in my tree.
My gt gt grandfather was married twice, First wife dies second wife is still alive when he starts a family with my gt gt grandmother and they never marry.
Would not have been difficult to trace as he dropped his surname and his middle name became the surname and so his children's surname and their descendants were technically incorrect.
Mills: Cubbington, Warwickshire London
Savage: Wiltshire London
Butler: Lambeth
Rowland: Bristol London
Marshall: Westminster Battersea
Theobold: Stepney London and possibly Weeley Essex
Knight: Westminster & Cumberland
East: Westminster & Hammersmith
Paton: Westminster
Vincent: Cubbington, Warwickshire

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Re: Ancestor possibly using an assumed name?
« Reply #26 on: Monday 05 July 21 20:38 BST (UK) »
I have a death cert for James Glen in 1933, again the address matches with the electoral roll entry for James and Sophia Glen.

1932 at 16 Elswick Street, Newcastle.
1933 at 119 Mill Lane

Death
Dec 1933 Newcastle upon Tyne 10b 33
Glen, James   
age 46   

He was buried at Elswick Cemetery, 1 January 1934.
Unfortunately we can't see the burial register on FamilySearch.
We can though see the graves register
Among those buried in the same grave is Lillian Kate, 5 January 1925.

Thanks to Boo for her wonderful Elswick Cemetery graves section finder spreadsheet.