Yes that is John senior. I wonder why the other two don't name the mother, they must have known, if the youngest one knew. I don't have any of their certs. I'm not actually related to Ann STEPHEN, I don't think, certainly not on my patermal line. I may be related to her through my maternal line perhaps, that remains to be seen. If I can find out who she was. But I have a bit more to work on now, thanks to all here.