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Re: Looking for parents/siblings of James Davis & Sarah Ann Andrews, married 1840
« Reply #9 on: Friday 06 August 21 19:05 BST (UK) »
I guess this is them in 1881 despite the occupation?

1881 84, High Street, Evesham All Saints, Evesham, Worcestershire
James   Davis   Head   Married   Male   60   1821   Brewer   Pershore, Worcestershire,
Sarah A   Davis   Wife   Married   Female   64   1817   -   Flyford Flavell, Worcestershire,
Ernest   Davis   Grand son   Single   Male   7   1874   Scholar   Alcester, Warwickshire,

Deaths Mar 1882   
Davis    James    65    Evesham    6c   193

Only one for Sarah in Evesham, wrong age, I wonder if she moved back to Pershore?

Deaths Mar 1887   
Davis    Sarah    67    Pershore    6c   237

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Yes Colin - that's the family I'm going with for 1881 - despite the location - and despite the slightly strange ages.

This is how I currently see it:
1841 - Upton Snodsbury - James aged 20 - a Tailor (but a very feint image); Sarah aged 25;
1851 - Upton Snodsbury - James aged 35 - a Tailor; Sarah aged 37;
1861 - North Piddle - James aged 43 - a Tailor & Publican; Sarah aged 50 - a Tailor's wife;
1871 - North Piddle - James aged 56 - an Inkeeper & Farmer; Sarah aged 60 - an Inkeeper's wife;
1881 - Evesham - James aged 60 - a Brewer; Sarah A - aged 64.

This gives a range of birth years for James of about 1815-1821, with a range of about 1811-1817 for Sarah.

Both of the deaths you suggest seem plausible - something more for me to try and check. Thanks


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Re: Looking for parents/siblings of James Davis & Sarah Ann Andrews, married 1840
« Reply #10 on: Friday 06 August 21 19:16 BST (UK) »
Two baptisms on Freereg, father William  a Bricklayer & Sarah
Aboded Church St.

Eliza DAVIS   Baptism   10 Jan 1813   Worcestershire   Pershore : Holy Cross : Unknown

Ann DAVIS   Baptism   10 Jan 1813   Worcestershire   Pershore : Holy Cross : Unknown

Thanks ColC - I'd momentarily forgotten about FreeReg - good shout!

It seems to me that Eliza and Ann are definitely children of my William and Sarah - with FreeReg also throwing up Mary - bap 27/12/1818 (with William a Mason); and Samuel bap 28/01/1821 (with William a Bricklayer again) - all at Church Street, Pershore.

However - and perhaps strangely - no sign of a baptism for James - either with Davis as the Surname - or Davies. Still need to track him down.....

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Re: Looking for parents/siblings of James Davis & Sarah Ann Andrews, married 1840
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 07 August 21 10:51 BST (UK) »
Possible marriage for William & Sarah?

William DAVIS of Ombersley married Sarah PATCHETT of Hartlebury 4 Nov 1812 Ombersley: St Andrew: Parish Register (Both single)
Witness1   John DAVIS
Witness2   Sarah DAVIS
Notes   Bride, groom and second witness signed with their marks

I do not see any children for them at  Ombersley.

I also found this which you may already know?

Marriages Dec 1867   
DAVIS    Samuel   to Ewins     Pershore    6c   578

The grandson with his grandparents in 1881

DAVIS, ERNEST  JAMES     EWINS 
GRO Reference: 1873  D Quarter in OF ALCESTER IN THE COUNTIES OF WARWICK AND WORCEST  Volume 06D  Page 604

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Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.

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Re: Looking for parents/siblings of James Davis & Sarah Ann Andrews, married 1840
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 07 August 21 11:07 BST (UK) »
Correction William a Labourer & Sarah did have children there but started a little later.

James DAVIS   Baptism   02 Dec 1819   Worcestershire   Ombersley: St Andrew : Parish Register

George DAVIS   Baptism   02 Apr 1822   Worcestershire   Ombersley : St Andrew : Parish Register

Elizabeth DAVIS   Baptism   26 Sep 1824   Worcestershire   Ombersley : St Andrew : Parish Register

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Clarke, Trickett, Orton, Lawless, Norton, Detheridge, Kirby, Goodfellow, Wagstaff, Lowe, etc.


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Re: Looking for parents/siblings of James Davis & Sarah Ann Andrews, married 1840
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 07 August 21 15:44 BST (UK) »
Thanks for your suggestions ColC.

Dealing first with the William and Sarah marriage, I agree that it is around the right time - and as far as I can see, Ombersley is not too far from Upton Snodsbury and North Piddle, where James and Sarah are subsequently found. That said, there appear to be a few oddities - no least the fact that with a marriage in Nov 1812, it seems odd that William & Sarah's first child does not appear to be baptised until Dec 1819 in Ombersley - unless, of course, the other baptisms mentioned earlier (Ann & Eliza in Jan 1813, and Mary in Dec 1818 - all in Pershore Holy Cross) are also to this couple - and that they moved about a bit, locally. There is also the baptism of Samuel in Jan 1821, again at Pershore.

All of these 7 baptisms could be to the same couple - looking at the dates - but it does seem a little unlikely that they would move back and forth between Ombersley and Pershore to this extent (but nothing is impossible of course!)

But there is also the changing profession bricklayer, mason and labourer. Again, whilst all could be correct, I have my doubts. Unless I can unearth some firm information on this point (such as possibly finding William's will), I think I'll have to proceed on the basis that the William & Sarah in Ombersley are a different couple to the William & Sarah in Pershore.

With regards to Samuel Davis's marriage to Deliah (or Delilah) Ewins in 1867, yes I have various pieces of information on that marriage (which was by license - marriage date Dec 26th 1867), and the children of that union (Emma E Davis in abt 1870 at Abbots Morton; Samuel Davis in abt 1873, also at Abbots Morton; and Ernest James Davis in abt 1874, at Alcester, Warwickshire). Sadly, Deliah then died in March 1875, and Samuel senior does not appear to have been able to keep any of his children with him - as I've found them all 'farmed out' with friends and relatives in later censuses.

Samuel senior (my great grandfather) seems to me a bit of a rascal - as I think I next find him marrying a Mary Jane Bott in Stafford on 26th August 1879 - claiming to be a bachelor! I accept this could be a completely different Samuel, but other facts I have (that I won't go into here, unless requested), lead me to the view that this is indeed the same Samuel who had earlier been widowed, by the death of Deliah. With Mary Jane he had 2 more children (Arthur & Gwendoline - I've got the dates somewhere but can't put my hand on them just now) - and then his second wife, Mary Jane died in Uttoxeter in December 1885. It is from Samuel's 3rd marriage - to Maria Heywood, formerly Shaw (a widow) - on 16th July 1892 - that I am descended.

Samuel seemed to be extremely coy about his age/date of birth, which varied considerably over the course of the various censuses, and also on each of his marriage certificates! He died in Uttoxeter on 11th July 1918, with his death certificate recording his age as 64. As you will have gathered, I have my doubts as to the veracity of this!

Anyway, I realise I've rambled a bit here - but hopefully it adds a bit of interest to those of you who are kindly lending your assistance with my problems.