Author Topic: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore  (Read 3050 times)

Online Wexflyer

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,223
  • Not Crown Copyright
    • View Profile
Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 21 December 23 04:08 GMT (UK) »
Can't the great-grandfather's name be deduced from the civil registration records?

Christian name - Samuel - on 1917 birth registration.

Surname - McCormick - on grandfathers marriage registration. [edit, or his Mom's real name]
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

Online Wexflyer

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,223
  • Not Crown Copyright
    • View Profile
Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 21 December 23 04:52 GMT (UK) »
A possibility. Two Samuel McCormicks, not that far away in 1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Killyleagh/Rathcunningham/239862/
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

Online Wexflyer

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,223
  • Not Crown Copyright
    • View Profile
Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 21 December 23 05:34 GMT (UK) »
No idea why my grandad went by the surname McCormick.

The simplest interpretations are that it was his father's surname, or his Mom's real name
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

Online Wexflyer

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,223
  • Not Crown Copyright
    • View Profile
Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #21 on: Thursday 21 December 23 05:40 GMT (UK) »

I looked up Irish census records for a Samuel McKnight in 1911 as its the closest records I could get to 1917 for families and I can find no record of a Samuel McKnight in the the Killyleagh/Crossgar/Downpatrick/Ballynahinch or that general region. I don't know who this Margaret is either so I am at a loss. Can anyone help?

The normal interpretation of the civil registration entries would be
(a) If she was a McKnight, then the father was not surnamed McKnight, or
(b) If the father was Samuel McKnight, then she was not surnamed McKnight.

The registrar started off making the entry on the assumption that the mother, Margaret McKnight, was married.  But then he realized/learned that Margaret was unmarried, he cancelled the entry, and started a new one, with no father named - as was the legal requirement.

At least that would be the "normal" interpretation of this sequence. An  unusual interpretation, option (c), would be that Margaret was assuming a bogus alias. And the only reality might be that the father was named Samuel.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area


Online Wexflyer

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,223
  • Not Crown Copyright
    • View Profile
Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #22 on: Thursday 21 December 23 06:12 GMT (UK) »
Some of the various possible families mentioned in this and the companion DNA thread were of different religious persuasions. OP never mentioned his grandfather's religion!
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

Online Wexflyer

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,223
  • Not Crown Copyright
    • View Profile
Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #23 on: Thursday 21 December 23 06:36 GMT (UK) »
Hmn, just a thought. The 1911 census shows a Margaret [Margerita] McCormick in the adjacent townland of Clontaghnaglar to Creevycarnonan.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002216755/

May simply be a coincidence, of course.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

Offline Kiltaglassan

  • RootsChat Marquessate
  • *******
  • Posts: 7,547
  • Seven Sisters mountain range in Co Donegal
    • View Profile
Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 21 December 23 08:00 GMT (UK) »

Quote
The 1911 census shows a Margaret [Margeretia] McCormick in the adjacent townland of Clontaghnaglar

Margerita?

Clontaghnaglar
https://www.townlands.ie/down/castlereagh-upper/kilmore/kilmore/clontaghnaglar/


Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo

Online Wexflyer

  • RootsChat Aristocrat
  • ******
  • Posts: 2,223
  • Not Crown Copyright
    • View Profile
Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #25 on: Thursday 21 December 23 19:09 GMT (UK) »

Quote
The 1911 census shows a Margaret [Margeretia] McCormick in the adjacent townland of Clontaghnaglar

Margerita?

Clontaghnaglar
https://www.townlands.ie/down/castlereagh-upper/kilmore/kilmore/clontaghnaglar/

Yes, Margerita. "Margeretia" was a typo by me.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area