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Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 02 June 22 08:58 BST (UK) »
Richard McKnight and Anne Roney who got married 10 August 1844 Mourne Lower, County Down. They had a daughter Ellen McNeight born 1846, registered in Kilkeel, Sarah McKnight born 8 March 1864 (although I can't read the location): https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03630/2340128.pdf and a son, Robert McKnight (no dates listed on the tree)

Ellen McNeight register in Kilkeel? in what way? civil registration of births didn't start until 1864. Do you mean baptised in Kilkeel?
I think Sarah's place of birth might be a variation of Aghlisnafin- the entry below Sarah's gives birthplace as Ballylough which marches Aghlisnafin.
https://www.townlands.ie/down/lecale-upper/kilmegan/dundrum/aghlisnafin/

Lots of McNeight/McKnight families here- including baptism of the above Ellen in 1846-
https://www.rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/Mc/McNeightMcKnight.htm
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Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 02 June 22 10:30 BST (UK) »

I think Sarah's place of birth might be a variation of Aghlisnafin- the entry below Sarah's gives birthplace as Ballylough which marches Aghlisnafin.
https://www.townlands.ie/down/lecale-upper/kilmegan/dundrum/aghlisnafin/


Agree with aghadowey  :D

Here's Aghlisnafin about 3-4 km west of Clough village.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4642227#map=14/54.2876/-5.8674


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Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #11 on: Friday 03 June 22 08:28 BST (UK) »
Here's Aghlisnafin about 3-4 km west of Clough village.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4642227#map=14/54.2876/-5.8674

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Aghlisnafin townland
Irish: Achadh Lios na bhFian ‘field of the ringfort of the warrior bands’
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01rlb/ (click '+' seven times to see townland on the R/H map)


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Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #12 on: Friday 03 June 22 15:28 BST (UK) »
Richard McKnight and Anne Roney who got married 10 August 1844 Mourne Lower, County Down. They had a daughter Ellen McNeight born 1846, registered in Kilkeel, Sarah McKnight born 8 March 1864 (although I can't read the location): https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1864/03630/2340128.pdf and a son, Robert McKnight (no dates listed on the tree)

Ellen McNeight register in Kilkeel? in what way? civil registration of births didn't start until 1864. Do you mean baptised in Kilkeel?
I think Sarah's place of birth might be a variation of Aghlisnafin- the entry below Sarah's gives birthplace as Ballylough which marches Aghlisnafin.
https://www.townlands.ie/down/lecale-upper/kilmegan/dundrum/aghlisnafin/

Lots of McNeight/McKnight families here- including baptism of the above Ellen in 1846-
https://www.rosdavies.com/SURNAMES/Mc/McNeightMcKnight.htm

I know birth records didn't start until 1864, I was just saying what is said on the persons tree. I have checked Ros Davis site before on McKnight but I should have checked it again after finding the DNA matches and the info on their tree. I will do that in future.

I still don't yet know if these McKnights are anyway related to my McKnights. I was trying a different way of seeing if I could find my McKnight family using my DNA matches trees on Ancestry and looking at my matches trees and confirming what info they have on their tree and work that way as I wasn't getting very far with birth, marriage and census records.

My dad never did a DNA test on Ancestry nor would any of his living siblings so only my mum did so I have to be careful that some of the matches are not on her side but I know a lot about her family and where they are from and can trace many of them back to the 1600s-1700s, early 1800.

Thanks aghadowey and Kiltaglassan for the location name.


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Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 16 July 22 14:14 BST (UK) »
Bit of an update, and I have no idea why I didn't do this sooner, but I ordered Annabella McCormick (McKnight) death certificate and I just got it. It says she was born 2 February 1885, Newcastle. Which would be Newcastle, Co Down as it says she was born in Co Down in 1911 Irish Census. So I assume that Margaret McKnight might have been born in the same place.

I have not had time to have a look yet to do a proper search for births of McKnights in that area, but from my quick search of https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/ I couldn't find her birth record (not that I could find it before using her first name). I also checked 1901 Iris Census, but couldn't find any McKnights in Newcastle but Newcastle could be the registrar's district not the exact location.

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Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 10 September 22 04:30 BST (UK) »
I have still not found who the McKnight's in my family are but I have several DNA matches on Ancestry to McMullan's and people related to McMullans from Ballynahinch which from what I can tell, must be related to my grandad in some way. I did a search for a McKnight and McMullan marriage to see if there was any possible link and I came across this one for a Bernard McKnight and Rose McMullan: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1883/10932/5994481.pdf

Would someone be able to tell me where it says Rose McMullan was living at the time of marriage and who it says in the presence of? I am finding it hard to read but I think it says Bridget and Catherine I just can't read the surnames.

This appears to be them in 1901: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Maghera/Carnacarvill/1234286/

It says they have a daughter, Margaret aged 12

Same family in 1911, although it says Margaret is 18 this time: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Maghera/Drumee/243252/

Margaret was born 20th December 1889: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02446/1909606.pdf

It says on 1911 census that Margaret was a dressmaker, and it says the Margaret McKnight I am looking for was a dressmaker on the birth certificate of my great uncle James McKnight in 1918 but that doesn't yet mean there is a connection to this Margaret McKnight, it is just a theory so far.

I have also not found the birth record of Annabella McKnight yet either and the only one I could find was born 24 June 1895 Ballydonnell to a William McKnight and Mary Jane Stockdale: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02209/1834161.pdf the date is over 10 years from the date of 2 February 1885 that I have for my Annabella's death certificate though and what didn't help is that it doesn't say on the death certificate how old Annabella was when she died.

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Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #15 on: Saturday 10 September 22 21:49 BST (UK) »
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I have also not found the birth record of Annabella McKnight yet either and the only one I could find was born 24 June 1895 Ballydonnell to a William McKnight and Mary Jane Stockdale: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02209/1834161.pdf the date is over 10 years from the date of 2 February 1885 that I have for my Annabella's death certificate though and what didn't help is that it doesn't say on the death certificate how old Annabella was when she died.

I can't remember ever seeing a death certificate without an age listed  :-\
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Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 10 September 22 22:25 BST (UK) »
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I have also not found the birth record of Annabella McKnight yet either and the only one I could find was born 24 June 1895 Ballydonnell to a William McKnight and Mary Jane Stockdale: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1895/02209/1834161.pdf the date is over 10 years from the date of 2 February 1885 that I have for my Annabella's death certificate though and what didn't help is that it doesn't say on the death certificate how old Annabella was when she died.

I can't remember ever seeing a death certificate without an age listed  :-\

In 1970s Northern Ireland death certificates changed as I have the death certificate for one of my great grandfathers who died in 1977 and its the same as Annabella's. In the certificates up to the end of the 1960s it would say Age last birthday but the 1970s at least, don't and I have no idea why they dropped that.

The death certificates from the 1970s they were changed to  portrait instead of landscape of the older certificates and they have the following information: 1 Name & Surname, 2 Sex, 3 Date of death, 4 Place of death, 5 Usual address (if different from place of death), 6 Marital status, 7 Date & Place of birth, 8 Occupation, 9 Maiden surname (of woman who had married), 10 Cause of death, 10 Qualification of informant, 12 Address of informant, 13 Signature of  informant, 14 Date of registration and 15 Signature of Registrar. So no age at death mentioned.

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Re: Looking for parents of John Daniel McKnight Born in Creevycarnonan Kilmore
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 11 September 22 09:00 BST (UK) »
The age of death on the certificate can be calculated from the date of birth as given by the informant so rather than being listed in years it is inferred. However, like any vital records the information may not be accurate. It may be that that her actual date of birth was different from that on death certificate or another Christian name was used when registering her death (Ann, Annie, Anna rather than Annabella or even 'unknown' if no Christian name(s) provided) or even another surname (either different variation of the name or a completely different name).
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