Father of Annie Hale B.1905

[chinapaddy]

James Hale from Newry married Mary Kenny in Dublin 1899 ( his address is 79 Great brunswick Street at the time of his marriage)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1899/10399/5786512.pdf


1900 Mary Elizabeth is born
March 1901 Census they are living (79) Great Brunswick Street and James is a Timber Measurer aged 37
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai003812664/

July 1901 James dies at 79 Great Brunswick Street aged 37
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1901/05720/4614041.pdf

1905: Annie Hale is born at 79 Great Brunswick Street. Father James Hale /Mother Mary Hale Kenny
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1905/01785/1701319.pdf

1911 Census living at Great Brunswick Street, Annie is with her along with her other children and she is a widow.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000210728/

Could a Dead man be listed as the father of a child four years after his death? James Hale death in 1901 and Annie born in 1905?

[gaffy]

What about the deceased James' father, ie. James senior (presumably him in the 1911 census return you linked?)? Could it not simply be that Mary and her father-in-law had a child?

[heywood]

Do you have Mary Elizabeth’s birth? What is James’ occupation?

Here is child James b 1901 - father is a Timber measurer
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1901/01944/1751688.pdf

In 1911, James snr is a Timber Measurer.

Annie’s father, James, is described as a labourer.

Maybe, as gaffy says, James snr was the father or perhaps for respectability, the widow gave her husband’s or father in law’s name as the child’s father.

[aghadowey]

I know of a local woman who produced 3 children after the death of her husband (youngest around 7 years afterwards from memory). There was no question that her husband was dead as his rather gruesome accidental demise was registered and reported in great detail in local newspapers.

[chinapaddy]

Do you have Mary Elizabeth’s birth? What is James’ occupation?

Maybe, as gaffy says, James snr was the father or perhaps for respectability, the widow gave her husband’s or father in law’s name as the child’s father.

Unfortunately, I didn't find Mary Elizabeth's birth. I found a transcript of her baptism record on Irishgeneaology.ie which names James Hale and Mary Kenny as parents but the page hasn't been digitised.
In fact Mary Elizabeth is my G/Father's first wife, sadly she died after just two years of marriage aged just 24.

Both Gaffy's and Heywood's suggestions are quite possible. Guess I will never know.

It is possible if Annie was married at some point to see what name was given as her father on marriage record.

James Hale snr 'Timber measurer' died in 1917 with Annie Brady present at death. (This would seem to be Mary Kenny Hale's sister from the 1911 census) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1917/05215/4442800.pdf

Thank you for your help

[rathmore]

James was a Timber measurer.

[chinapaddy]

James was a Timber measurer.

Both James Snr and James Jnr were Timber Measurer's

[jonw65]

Unfortunately, I didn't find Mary Elizabeth's birth.

Registered as Hall in Dublin South
Mary Elizabeth
Born 18 August 1900 at 79 Brunswick Street
Father James Hall, Timber Measurer
Mother Mary Hall, formerly Kelly
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1900/01986/1764850.pdf

[jonw65]

1911 Census living at Great Brunswick Street, Annie is with her along with her other children and she is a widow.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai000210728/

A possible second marriage, 12 Sep 1919, Dublin St Andrew
Thomas Daly
+
Mary Hale nee Kenny, full, Widow, father John Kenny, Labourer
Witnessed by Florrie Hale
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1919/09685/5512712.pdf

Who Florrie?
Well, a marriage, 4 Dec 1926, Dublin St George
Walter Willis
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Florence Hale, full, Spinster, 8 Boyne Street, father James Hale, Timber Measurer (Deceased)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1926/09129/5301919.pdf