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Frederick Lisbert JEWELL
« on: Thursday 12 August 21 14:31 BST (UK) »
Frederick Lisbert JEWELL was born in Siddington in Gloucestershire in 1852.

In 1871 he enlisted in the 1st Battalion 4th (Kings Own) Regiment of Foot as Private Frederick JOEL (1698).

I have found him in the 1871 census at Depot 38, Aldershot. Frederick JOEL (19) - soldier, Private 1698, 1st Battalion, The Kings Own Regt, b Siddington, Glos.

Unfortunately that is the last record I can find for him. I wonder if anyone here can take me further forward.


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Re: Frederick Lisbert JEWELL
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 01 December 21 11:59 GMT (UK) »
This post never received any replies when first posted, so I am just refreshing it in the hope that someone will be able to move it forward.

Moderators - if you think that this is in the wrong form please re-locate. There was another thread about him on the Gloucestershire board.

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Re: Frederick Lisbert JEWELL
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 01 December 21 13:41 GMT (UK) »
If Frederick was born in Siddington, I would expect his birth to have been registered in Cirencester.
I can find no birth registered in this name, or similar, in Gloucestershire 1850-55
Working from Family Search, the entry I found for Frederick Joel in 1871 was for a boy, aged 13, born Siddington, living with his grandparents in Siddington. Again I have not been able to match this to a birth registration.
Perhaps you can tell us of your sources.


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Re: Frederick Lisbert JEWELL
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 01 December 21 13:53 GMT (UK) »
Frederick Lisbert JEWELL born 04 Mar 1852 in Siddington, the illegitimate son of Emily Sarah JEWELL [Q1 1852 Cirencester 6a 319]. No name on the certificate, just Male JEWELL.

Baptised 09 May 1852 in Siddington as Frederick Lisbert JEWELL, no father, mother Emily Sarah JEWELL, a single woman.

He was brought up by his grandparents, John and Caroline JEWELL.

Note that the JEWELLs are sometimes transcribed as JOELs.

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Re: Frederick Lisbert JEWELL
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 01 December 21 14:44 GMT (UK) »
Careless of me. I overlooked the "Male" Jewell! I was concentrating on " Frederick".

The 13 years old Frederick I found in 1871 was living with grandparents John  and Caroline. How does that fit in? ( I realise that none of this gives us a clue  about his later life. Is it possible that he adopted his natural father's surname?)


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Re: Frederick Lisbert JEWELL
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 01 December 21 14:50 GMT (UK) »
Yes, that fits. John JEWELL and Caroline Allen were Emily Sarah's parents and his grandparents.

I think he continued to use the JEWELL/JOEL name, as I think he is the Frederick JOEL mentioned in the 1871 census [RG10 818 110 29].

But who knows.

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Re: Frederick Lisbert JEWELL
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 01 December 21 15:10 GMT (UK) »
It's a very long shot. Could Frederick have been of dual/mixed heritage.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QPWP-NK76

John
HOOD- STAFFORDSHIRE/LONDON/AUSTRALIA
WALKER-LONDON
HIGGS-LONDON
GOSLING-DEVON

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Re: Frederick Lisbert JEWELL
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 01 December 21 15:17 GMT (UK) »
Who knows? It could be him, but how does one prove it. We really need something nearer to the last known record in 1871.

To save time, he is not the Frederick Jewell who married Louisa Kent, that was his cousin.

I was hoping that some military expert could cast more light on his military career.