Parents of Thomas Weir b abt 1821 Ireland

[telephonist]

I have an earlier topic on this subject about Thomas and Mary and their family and life in England and Wales
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=852451.18

I am hoping to discover the parents details of Thomas who on his marriage certificate 1850 are listed as John and Ann Weir.

There is a Thomas Weir and a brother William n the 1841 census for England living with an Elizabeth Weir born abt 1761 Ireland but now in Lancashire (maybe a grandmother??)
1851 census lists him as a Soldier.
On his marriage cert it says he is a Gunner in 3rd Brigade Royal Reg. of Artillery.

Any help much appreciated.

[heywood]

Me again, sorry 

The Thomas in 1841 was probably born abt 1811 rather than 1821.
The image is difficult but looks more like 30 rather than 20 yrs.
Here is Family Search transcription:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MQ25-KX8

Fold3 (a pay site shown on Ancestry) shows 2 records for Thomas Weir, Royal Artillery born 1819, Athlone.
1) Service Record - regimental number 10379 - enlisted 1841
2) discharge record in 1862
The first one is also available on Find My Past.

Do you have these? If so, any useful information?

Heywood

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[telephonist]

Thanks Heywood, I am making harder work of this than necessary for myself and others, bother. I will get that info from Fold me .
I did look closely at the 1841 census and convinced myself it was 20 with the other son being 25, although i dont yet known anything of him or any siblings other than Ann Weir who was living with Thomas and Maryanne in the early years.

[Maiden Stone]

Me again, sorry 

The Thomas in 1841 was probably born abt 1811 rather than 1821.
The image is difficult but looks more like 30 rather than 20 yrs.

Ages of adults on 1841 census were supposed to be rounded down to nearest multiple of 5 so that Thomas may have been even older.

Does the army service record say where Thomas Weir enlisted?
Was there an occupation for John Weir, father of Thomas on the marriage certificate?

[heywood]

One Army record says birthplace is St Mary’s, Athlone’ abt 1819 and the other ‘St Mary’s, Westmeath.’

[Maiden Stone]

One Army record says birthplace is St Mary’s, Athlone’ abt 1819 and the other ‘St Mary’s, Westmeath.’

St. Mary's, Athlone, Diocese of Ardagh, County Westmeath.
Catholic Registers at National Library of Ireland
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0178
The parish for the other part of Athlone is St. Peter's, Athlone, Diocese of Elphin, County Roscommon.
That's assuming Thomas was Catholic.
Parishes adjacent to Athlone are variously in counties Longford, Offaly, Roscommon or Westmeath and in several dioceses.

[heywood]

From your other thread from Ciderdrinker

Re: James Hullahan and wife Catherine
« Reply #1 on: Friday 27 August 21 11:44 BST (UK) »

Hi
Possible sisters of Thomas Weir marry at St Oswalds Liverpool  Elizabeth 21.5.1854 to Patrick Keogh and Ann 26.8.1854 to Patrick Fitzgerald.
Parents given as John Wier and Anne Farrell of West Meath which fits in with Thomas's military records which say he was born Athlone West Meath.

Ciderdrinker


In this marriage record, the parents
John Weir and Anne Farrell are from Moate.
A witness to the marriage is Margaret Weir.

Moate, Westmeath parish records
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0174

[Maiden Stone]

Moate, Athlone Poor Law Union (also Registration District for births, marriages & deaths), County Westmeath.  Moate is split between 2 civil parishes, Kilcleagh and Kilmanaghan, both in  Clonlonan barony.
(Information from Placename Search on SWilson.info  https://swilson.info/index.php)

Griffiths Valuation
www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/
Search for entries for Weir surname in Westmeath. 22 results, some as occupier, some as immediate lessor including:.
Kilmanaghan civil parish, Clononan barony, Athlone Union
John Weir, Newton townland, occupier house & yard.
Newton townland with 7 individual holdings, follows "Town of Moate (part of) detached portion" in townland of Legen in the parish of Kilmanaghan.
The name John Weir appears in other entries in the county.

SWilson.info is a website which is useful for finding places, identifying religious and civil parishes, registration districts etc. Another function is surname distribution.
https://www.swilson.info/index.php
To find the name of registration districts in a county: Select Registration District Map Browse and then select county. All registration districts in Offaly cross county borders as do most of those in Co. Westmeath.
When you know likely registration districts you can search for deaths of the parents, assuming they remained in Westmeath and that they survived until 1864. BMD registers on Irish Genealogy.ie are organised by Superintendent Registrar's District which were based on Poor Law Union districts.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en
Birth, marriage and death registrations from 1854 + non-Catholic marriages from 1845.

[Maiden Stone]

Moate, Westmeath parish records
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0174

An adjacent parish is Tubber. I'd noted Anne Ware and Anna Wire baptisms in Tubber parish, Meath, Offfaly & Westmeath 1826 (index FindMyPast). Baptism register doesn't start until 1834 according to NLI Catholic registers.  Other baptisms for Ann or Elizabeth Weir/Wier/Wyer//Ware/Wire in Westmeath were in Mullingar, Milltown and Collinstown parishes.