Elusive Mary Ellen born 10 September in Gateshead.

[Ashtone]

On baptism record she is Maria Helena Mallachin daughter of Margaretha Mallachin.   

Hi Emma - Is there an address/abode on her 1901 baptism record?

[mckha489]

Image should be on a Family Search film number 2046500
Locked :-(

(It's St Joseph's Catholic Church, Gateshead)

[River Tyne Lass]

https://www.southtyneside.gov.uk/article/34814/Search-historical-births-deaths-and-marriages-records

Just in case you might not have the date of mentioned marriage, the South Shields website gives this info:

Thomas Coyne married Margaret Johnston/Mallichan on 3 March 1906
R75 (Non Anglican marriage code so possibly RC or registry office.) Entry 82.

[emmadog]

Hi RTL, that was the second marriage of my ggm. I hadn’t known about it probably being a RC marriage (presumably that’s what register R75 means) but am not surprised as her daughter Mary Ellen (who my post started off with) has baptism record on FS which has names in Latin. Also Margaret and Thomas’s son went to catholic school in Blyth.
My dad also told a tale of my grandad standing at the fence of catholic school crying to go to that school. Not sure which school he went to but most kids stand outside crying because they don’t want to go to school.
Thanks for your input and another snippet I’ve learned.
Emma.

[emmadog]

Mckha489. Sorry I fell asleep last night with all this going round in my head. Anyhow I have been having another look at everything.

Firstly I was wondering how you came across the info regarding Henry Beddow’s death and if there was any way I could get a copy of the photo you mentioned.

I came across a f. Tree with June Beddow on it and it definitely states her dob as 25 June 1931 but says mother being Parr.  The tree belongs to the family of her third husband. (Must say all people mentioned are deceased.)

With regards to her son from Mayne marriage I have found him on 1939 records living with a Maggie Gutherless who on investigation was Alexandras older sister.  There is a death record for him Feb 1990 John Robson Mayne. He has been Robertson, Roberson and lastly Robson.

Sorry for the tome but its all going round in my head.
Enna.

[mckha489]

Sleeping on a problem is always helpful

At June’s death her birth is certainly given as the 1931 one. But as we know these things are only as accurate as the person supplying the information.

Her birth registration is clearly Parr and 1934. I would have thought by that period, that would be the more reliable fact. 

Henry’s death was in the newspapers which I access through FindMyPast, but you can also access via the British Newspaper Archive,  if you have never used that before you can register and download 3 things  as a free trial.

https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/

[emmadog]

Thank you very much for your help.

[Tickettyboo]

Thinking about pronunciation in a thick accent I wonder about this birth with no MMN

MONAGHAN, MARY  ELLEN     - 
GRO Reference: 1901  S Quarter in GATESHEAD  Volume 10A  Page 1102


Added… forget that. Looks as though she died 1904

Playing devil's advocate, I think the Monaghan birth in Q3 1901 may still be a contender.

there was also a Mary Ellen Monaghan, registered in Gateshead in Q4 1901, MMN  McCormick. 
Marriages Q4 1900 John Monaghan and Catherine McCormick
and the child who died in 1904 was buried at Gateshead East on 9th Feb 1904, age said to be 2 and was the daughter of John Monaghan.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJ7-H9G8-8?

emmadog, it may be worth a shot to email Gateshead Registrars , explain that you have been unable to source a birth reg with the surname Mallachin and that the Mary Ellen Monaghan registered in Q3 Gateshead is an outside chance possible.

Ask if they have time to check the register and be able to confirm/deny whether the mother was Margaret (no father listed) and the child was born 1st Sept.

Way back pre- pandemic Gateshead Registrars were willing to answer email queries like that, they may not have the staff/time atm but its worth an ask? - shy bairns get nowt :-)

Boo

[emmadog]

Thanks tickettyboo. That is how I eventually found my granddads I did not know what name he was registered under (or had never even heard of the name Mallachin). as you say they were helpful so was able to get the correct certificate, without wasting any money!  I was wondering if Mary Ellen was also born in Gateshead workhouse as was my grandad. quite a shock! but as I was born at Preston my daughter always says I was born in the workhouse. Daughters!!!
thanks for info will let you know.

Emma.