Author Topic: Dvinsk reco; Rabbis & slaughterers/ fledshers/ prostitutes/ melameds/watchmakers  (Read 1002 times)

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The above are actual categories of Dvinsk records from 1897
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Rabbis  listed with Cantors ? + slaughterers

Doctors ,feldshers ?+ dentists + pharmacists

House of prostitution

Jews who lived in Dvinsk but born Vishki

Teachers .melameds + pupils in Dvinsk

Watchmakers in Dvinsk

I don't know what cantors,.feldshers or melameds are but these records are fascinating

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Re: ReDvinsk ; Rabbis & slaughterers/ fledshers/ prostitutes/ melameds/watchmakers
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 23 September 21 18:35 BST (UK) »
Cantors sing and lead prayers in synagogues so could be listed with rabbis I guess.
Howard , Viney , Kingsman, Pain/e, Rainer/ Rayner, Barham, George, Wakeling (Catherine), Vicary (Frederick)   all LDN area/suburbs  Ottley/ MDX,
Henman/ KNT   Gandy/LDN before 1830  Burgess/LDN
Barham/SFK   Rainer/CAN (Toronto) Gillians/CAN  Sturgeon/CAN (Vancouver)
Bailey/LDN Page/KNT   Paling/WA (var)



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Re: Dvinsk reco; Rabbis & slaughterers/ fledshers/ prostitutes/ melameds/watchmakers
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 23 September 21 18:43 BST (UK) »
That makes sense
I wonder if slaughterers has another meaning

The records include building type...wooden or bricks
Roof type .
.mainly shingles ..some metal

Two spellings for surnames.
second in Russian script

Given name

Father's name

Status/relationship...
.head of household or tenant

Place of birth

Place of registration...
I'm not sure what that means .

Religion

Home language

Whether can read or write.
.some clarity ..yes in Yiddish

Occupation .
..only one of the Rabbis has a second occupation and all can read and write

and are the same religion. OF COURSE

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Re: Dvinsk reco; Rabbis & slaughterers/ fledshers/ prostitutes/ melameds/watchmakers
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 23 September 21 18:47 BST (UK) »
  I imagine the community would have had their own slaughterers to make the meat kosher?
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Re: Dvinsk reco; Rabbis & slaughterers/ fledshers/ prostitutes/ melameds/watchmakers
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 23 September 21 18:56 BST (UK) »
The house of prostitution s are more varied
Few can read or write
There are orthodox Russian speakers,
Jewish ,Yiddish speakers,
Roman Catholic, Polish speakers

Birth places vary from Lithuania Poland + Belarus+ other towns in Russian Latvia.

between two houses of prostitution is

Zalman GINTZBERG +wife
 a pubkeepers +schoolage children + a musician son aged 18
A cook ,housemaid + 2 janitors.

 the maid is listed as an old believer + speaks polish

I wonder if pubs were classified as houses of disrepute too


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Re: Dvinsk reco; Rabbis & slaughterers/ fledshers/ prostitutes/ melameds/watchmakers
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 23 September 21 19:19 BST (UK) »
Do you think fledsher could be ...

feldsher: a medical or surgical practitioner without full professional qualifications or status in some east European countries and especially Russia
Clarkson, Tolladay, Prevost, Killick, Hicks

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Re: Dvinsk reco; Rabbis & slaughterers/ fledshers/ prostitutes/ melameds/watchmakers
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 23 September 21 19:20 BST (UK) »
melamed: a teacher of Hebrew language and traditions especially in a heder.
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Re: Dvinsk reco; Rabbis & slaughterers/ fledshers/ prostitutes/ melameds/watchmakers
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 23 September 21 19:29 BST (UK) »
Great replies ...it all makes sense now
Of course they would need Kosher butchers....
I learn something new everyday

By the way of anyone wants to see these records they are freely available
Along with lots of other Russian counties BMD records from 1877-1909 not inclusive .
From the USDINE lists

But I hadnt seen profressions listed before
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Re: Dvinsk reco; Rabbis & slaughterers/ fledshers/ prostitutes/ melameds/watchmakers
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 23 September 21 23:34 BST (UK) »
Just in interest ,the Orthodox manner of slaughter is very kind .
The animal, according the televised programme about the Orthodox Jews of North Manchester ,is kept in a dim stall.
It is fed from a hay holder above its head that is higher than its head.
It is raised a little each day.
On the day of slaughter it’s head is very high.
The Rabbi or official slaughterer hones a knife so sharp he can take off one layer of his own skin without pain .Like a sheet of tissue paper.
This was all demonstrated in the programme.
Because its head has been raised for a good while the animal is quite woozy yet calm.
It’s throat is bent ,presented almost, as it’s head is already raised and with just one swift movement it is dispatched.
It seemed as merciful as possible .
Not possible on a big scale sadly.
The kosher chickens were killed in the part of Manchester where the first Jews settled, there is an account in a lovely book “Sunrise to Sunset  “ about life in Angel Meadow,a very short distance away,by Mary Bertenshaw.Born 1894.
She lived in Crown Square opposite St Michael’s Church.
 
Even salt used in cooking has to be Kosher for an Orthodox Jew.
I can remember girls at school telling us the kitchen at their home was being taken out ,put in storage and a new one put in for I think Passover.
After the specified time the Passover kitchen is taken out ,put in storage and the original one put back ,observing the rules of one side meat,the other side dairy and the two never mixed up. Different  utensils ,cloths ,sink etc.
It is insulting to cows if their offsprings’ birthright of milk is mixed in the slightest way with beef.
Fascinating , and must be very hard to be completely Orthodox in a country where yours is a minority religion .
Viktoria.



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