Help to be able to continue tracing grandparents

[Julz83]

Evening everyone,

I’d appreciate any help as I’m really stuck and my mind has gone blank.
I’ve signed back up to pick up where I left off on my family tree.

Richard Pringle, b. 1777 Coldstream
d. 1864, is my 3 x Great Grandfather.
(He married Isabella Hay in 1822 in Ayton).

His parents are a James Pringle, (I don’t have a birth or death date or any locations for him), and Agnes Elmer/Elmour, b. 1744 Duns, Berwickshire.
On their marriage certificate in Coldingham in 1773 people are translating Agnes’ surname as Aleman but I believe it’s Elmer as I found a Richard Elmer and Agnes Dickson in Duns who had a daughter Agnes in 1744.

On Ancestry everyone is believing what other trees say and have a James born in 1756 in Earlston as Richards father, but I don’t think it’s that James as the parents married in 1764 and the mother listed was apparently born in 1741 😐

Any help or guidance would be appreciated as I am really stuck and I’d like to be able to trace my grandparent line.

Thank you in advance.

Julie.
 

[DonM]

Well it could be Elemor

[Gadget]

I think so to. The first letter is not the same as the A in Agnes, so Elemor is most likely.

[Julz83]

I did think of other variations but then this document made me think it is Elmer.
Each variant I’ve thought of I’ve searched it and only had Elmer come back.
I’ve tried Elmor, Elmore, Elemor, Elemour......Even Alemor, Aleman, Alemer. I can’t think of anymore 

It’s James Pringle that I can’t seem to find out about to continue that line. So far just a document to say the marriage was in the parish of Dunse, Coldingham.
I’d really like to find him.

[Gadget]

Do you have the names of the children of James and Agnes in birth order?

[Julz83]

Do you have the names of the children of James and Agnes in birth order?

I only know of Richard, born 1777.
I’m assuming there will be more but I can’t seem to find any records so far, especially with no info for James, ie- DOB etc. 

[Gadget]

Their children will most likely be after their marriage in 1773, so for this there is no need to know when James was born.  I asked because many families used a particular pattern for naming their children:

Scots often named children by following a simple set of rules:

    1st son named after father's father
    2nd son named after mother's father
    3rd son named after father
    1st daughter named after mother's mother
    2nd daughter named after father's mother
    3rd daughter named after mother

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/guides/forenames#Forenames%20and%20naming%20patterns 

and scroll down to Traditional Naming Patterns.

If you can find the baptisms and names, then you might be able to get an idea of the parents; names.


Gadget

[Julz83]

Their children will most likely be after their marriage in 1773, so for this there is no need to know when James was born.  I asked because many families used a particular pattern for naming their children:

Scots often named children by following a simple set of rules:

    1st son named after father's father
    2nd son named after mother's father
    3rd son named after father
    1st daughter named after mother's mother
    2nd daughter named after father's mother
    3rd daughter named after mother

https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/guides/forenames#Forenames%20and%20naming%20patterns 

and scroll down to Traditional Naming Patterns.

If you can find the baptisms and names, then you might be able to get an idea of the parents; names.


Gadget

I have seen the patterns before and on the Pringle side even up until present day we have a lot of James’, Richards, George, Mary, Agnes, Isabella.
I’m assuming Richard and Agnes Elmer are twins as they are both down as born 01/01/1744 Duns to Richard Elmer and Agnes Dickson.
 
So if these are the correct people they were named after their parents, and possibly grandparents.

For James Pringle and Agnes Elmer I’m unsure how to even think of names and dates and in which order too. 
If they were married in 1773 then there could be a child, or children, before Richard b.1777.
I presume the names used would have been an Agnes and a James though 

[DonM]

I only see one Richard in the OPR's

PRINGLE RICHARDSON baptized 21/05/1777

But his parents were JOHN PRINGLE/EPHEN RICHARDSON

So where did you get yours from?

Don