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Immigration Schemes
« on: Wednesday 06 October 21 05:25 BST (UK) »
I’m trying to find how my 2 x great grandfather came to Australia. 
My 2 x G grandfather John Edwin Allen was born in Woolwich Kent in 1834, & baptised in St  Mary Magdalene Church Woolwich 27/7/1834.  John Edwin’s father was a gunner in the Royal Horse Artillery and the baptism certificate states he resided in the Artillery Barracks at that time.
John Edwin – age 6 appears with his family on the 1841 census under the surname ALLAN, father James mother Elizabeth, siblings Thomas, Susannah, Jane and Elizabeth.  I cannot locate John Edwin on the 1851 census only his parents and younger sisters – residing Willesborough,  Kent.
John Edwin married Mary Maling in Parramatta, Sydney Australia 6/2/1857.  John Edwin died in Parramatta in 1862 and the cert. states he had been in the colony for 14 years.
On the 12/2/1857 John Edwins family arrived in Sydney on board the “Hindostan” – his father James, mother Elizabeth, sisters Jane and Elizabeth. Eldest sister Susannah was also on board the Hindostan as a married woman – Mr & Mrs Joseph Chanelor.  John’s eldest brother was in the Royal Regiment as a Trumpet Major, but joined the family in Sydney about 1868.
I have searched shipping records coming into Australia and cannot seem to locate John Edwin Allen entering as he would have only been about 14 or 15. On the passenger details of his parents coming into Australia in 1857 it states under relations in the colony column “Son – John Allen residing with Mr. Tait”
Parramatta seems to be the area in which they all resided for some time.  John married Mary Maling in Parramatta in 1857  and her parents were in Parramatta as well.  There is very little details on John Edwin and Mary Maling’s marriage certificate – stating “No Parents” for both parties ?? maybe this is understandable as a baby was born just 4 months later.
John Edwin Allen had only been married 6 days when his parents arrived in the colony, he stated on his marriage certificate his occupation was a Servant and they were married in the Church of Scotland.  Researching the name Mr. Tait I found a Rev. Tait was at the Church where John Edwin got married although his marriage was performed by Rev. Taits predecessor James Coutts.
Can anyone suggest any “schemes” that may have offered passage and employment in Australia during the period  1847 – 1850’s.
Thank you for taking the time to consider my request.
Stonnill, Allen, Manley, Mooney, Small, Cornish

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Re: Immigration Schemes
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 06 October 21 05:51 BST (UK) »

NSW BDM
2311/1857 ALLEN   John  marr.  MALING  Mary   @  Parramatta

What is the document that you are looking at?.  Is it an image of the church register, image of Civil record from BDM, and either with handwriting ie signatures?.  Is it a typed transcription?

What names do you see for witnesses?

What name do you see for informant on the death certificate, 1862?

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Re: Immigration Schemes
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 06 October 21 08:11 BST (UK) »
Hi Wivenhoe
The document I have is a typed  transcription witnesses being Thomas Bicknell and Jemima Douglas, the informant of John Edwin Allens death certificate is James Allen his father.
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Re: Immigration Schemes
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 06 October 21 08:54 BST (UK) »
Not much help to you I know, just a suggestion.  Have you considered that he may have worked his passage.  At  14 or 15 years old he would have been well within the age of lads going to sea.  Some would intend a sea career,  then  have a change of heart when arriving at a port that may have better prospects.
CHOULES All ,  COKER Harwich Essex & Rochester Kent 
COLE Gt. Oakley, & Lt. Oakley, Essex.
DUNCAN Kent
EVERITT Colchester,  Dovercourt & Harwich Essex
GULLIVER/GULLOFER Fifehead Magdalen Dorset
HORSCROFT Kent.
KING Sturminster Newton, Dorset. MONK Odiham Ham.
SCOTT Wrabness, Essex
WILKINS Stour Provost, Dorset.
WICKHAM All in North Essex.
WICKHAM Medway Towns, Kent from 1880
WICKHAM, Ipswich, Suffolk.


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Re: Immigration Schemes
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 06 October 21 08:58 BST (UK) »
If Mr TAIT was a clergyman I wonder if he might be identified by that title on the shipping records?

Considering the possibilities that Mr TAIT offers, is this marriage, 1849,  of any interest?


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444/1849 V1849444 34C      TAIT   William  marr.  ALLEN Julia A        NB

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Re: Immigration Schemes
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 06 October 21 12:53 BST (UK) »
Thanks Jebber
I wondered something similar.  As his occupation when he married was Servant, I just wondered if he travelled with someone as a servant boy ??
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Re: Immigration Schemes
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 06 October 21 12:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Wivenhoe, I'll check out the marriage.  No I wondered about Mr Tait but the shipping records don't say he was a clergyman.  Only that the church ( Church of Scotland ) at Parramatta was the clergy before the one who married John Edwin and Mary.
I really thank any help or suggestions
Janette
Stonnill, Allen, Manley, Mooney, Small, Cornish

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 07 October 21 06:08 BST (UK) »


Do you have death certificate, NSW?, for James ALLAEN and wife Elizabeth?

Census England 1841, can you please identify this family. Using Ancestry, I am not seeing them.

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Re: Immigration Schemes
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 07 October 21 06:46 BST (UK) »
1841 Looks like they are at Westgate, St John, Northumberland, England
Class: HO107; Piece: 824; Book: 7; Folio: 16; Page: 25

Mick



Do you have death certificate, NSW?, for James ALLAEN and wife Elizabeth?

Census England 1841, can you please identify this family. Using Ancestry, I am not seeing them.
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