Date of HUGHES/HAYES photo found nr Oswestry taken E. Eccles Bury

[JGDavies]

Hi,
Would appreciate some date estimate for this photo. The lady described below is originally from Radcliffe only a few miles from Bury where the photograper is from though can't be sure its her.

It was in an album on the 1st page next to 3 photos by J. Thomas, Cambrian Gallery, Liverpool and a later one by J. Maclardy, Oswestry. All photos have names/comments apart from this one. One of the Cambrian Gallery photos is annotated "Elizabeth Ann Hughes nee Hayes 1859 to 1885" and the album was put together c.1930 by her (daughter and) grandaughter.
Elizabeth Ann Hayes age 4 appears in the 1861 census in Sion Street Radcliffe Lancashire with her parents Joseph and Sarah Heyes and in the 1871 census age 13 with her Grandfather in Waterfall Street Llanrhaiadr ym Mochnant. She lived in Oswestry before she married a Hughes (my Great Grandfather) in 1881.

Thanks in advance, Jon

[Maiden Stone]

I can't see if she was wearing an engagement or wedding ring. The pose looks to me as if she was drawing attention to her left hand.  Could it have been a photograph for her engagement for her fiance to keep?

[JGDavies]

I can't see if she was wearing an engagement or wedding ring

Hi, I've just zoomed in on the high-resolution scan and can't see any rings.

[Gadget]

I think it might well be late 1870s-early 1880s.

I'll see if I can bring up the right hand.

[Gadget]

Not very clear but there might be a ring

[Maiden Stone]

A portrait of another Bury lady, perhaps same era, by a different photographer, H. Wragg of Bury and Whitefield.
freepages.rootsweb.com/~victorianphotographs/family/dated/1872/wrag.pdf
It's from "Victorian & Edwardian Photographs -Roger Vaughan Personal Collection -List 104 - Victorian Photographs by Year" List is arranged according to estimated date. Dates are a general guide. The Wragg portrait is under 1880. There are several websites for Roger Vaughan Victorian photograph collections.

Bury Photographic Society has existed since 1882.
https://buryps.co.uk

[Gadget]

I used the backs guide on the Vaughan website and  a Jayne Shrimpton book for the estimate I gave in Reply #3

[Treetotal]

I used the backs guide on the Vaughan website and  a Jayne Shrimpton book for the estimate I gave in Reply #3

Same here, I've been out so didn't get chance to reply, We used the same dating methods most of the time 

Carol

[JGDavies]

Not very clear but there might be a ring

After your observation I tried enhancing my original scan but didn't get any clearer result. If it is a ring it looks a bit near the knuckle.

A portrait of another Bury lady, perhaps same era, by a different photographer, H. Wragg of Bury and Whitefield.

Took me a while to find what I think you meant - missing "f" out of "wragf.jpg"?
https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~victorianphotographs/family/dated/1872/wragf.jpg
I've been looking for a good source for dating these photos most of the evening - though concentrating on a different photo I put up for dating. I'll have another look now you've provided this source. Thanks. For other photographers I've been able to discover when they operated but not for Edmund Eccles so far.

I used the backs guide on the Vaughan website and  a Jayne Shrimpton book for the estimate I gave in Reply #3

Also thanks for the souce references, I'll have a look.

I think it might well be late 1870s-early 1880s.

That might just fit with my "Married 21st July 1881: Elizabeth Ann (bn:1856/7)" and could make the above "unknown" and the below "known" taken c. 1885 or before the same person. If not must be a relative. Thanks