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Mary Elizabeth Evans' parentage
« on: Wednesday 27 October 21 22:58 BST (UK) »
I am in a bit of a rut in terms of trying to uncover some more ancestry related to my great-grandmother and her parentage, or more specifically her mother's side. Her name was Mary Elizabeth Evans, and she was born in 1900, in Sengynedd, Glamorganshire, the daughter of William & Elizabeth. She was the 4th of their 7 siblings, born between 1890 & 1907. William & Elizabeth were both born in Aberdare, around 1867 & 1869 respectively. They married in 1889.
I am less concerned about finding out about William's parentage than I am about Elizabeth's. Her parents were not present on the marriage certificate, so I have no immediate way of finding out what her maiden name was. There is the possibility that Elizabeth's parents were David & Cathrine Lewis, both born in the 1830s; David in Pembrokeshire & Cathrine in Aberdare. This is part and parcel of my research on 'Ancestry', but I am at a loss as to where I can go further?

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Re: Mary Elizabeth Evans' parentage
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 27 October 21 23:37 BST (UK) »
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William & Elizabeth were both born in Aberdare, around 1867 & 1869 respectively. They married in 1889.
I am less concerned about finding out about William's parentage than I am about Elizabeth's. Her parents were not present on the marriage certificate, so I have no immediate way of finding out what her maiden name was.

Mothers names are never shown on English or Welsh marriage certs.  You must have Elizabeth’s maiden name if you have the 1889 marriage cert?
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Re: Mary Elizabeth Evans' parentage
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 28 October 21 07:40 BST (UK) »
Is this the family  :-\

EVANS, MARY  ELIZABETH     mmn JAMES 
GRO Reference: 1900  June Quarter in BRIDGEND  Volume 11A  Page 847

Marriage Mar qtr 1890
Evans,    William       
James,    Elizabeth       
Bridgend    11a   787

1901 - RG13/5000 f42 p32
William Evans 34
Elizabeth Evans 32
Margaret 11
David John 6
Martha 3
Mary Eliz 1
all born Aberdare except Mary E
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X91B-3N7

There is a David James with wife Sarah A living next door, is he related  :-\
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Re: Mary Elizabeth Evans' parentage
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 28 October 21 08:18 BST (UK) »
EVANS, MARGARET  ANN  mmn   JAMES 
GRO Reference: 1890  Sept Quarter
MERTHYR TYDFIL reg district 
Volume 11A  Page 647

1891 William, Elizabeth and Margaret Ann are in Aberdare
RG12/4447 folio 103 page 4

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HMV4-XT2


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Re: Mary Elizabeth Evans' parentage
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 28 October 21 11:57 BST (UK) »
Is this the family  :-\

EVANS, MARY  ELIZABETH     mmn JAMES 
GRO Reference: 1900  June Quarter in BRIDGEND  Volume 11A  Page 847

Marriage Mar qtr 1890
Evans,    William       
James,    Elizabeth       
Bridgend    11a   787

1901 - RG13/5000 f42 p32
William Evans 34
Elizabeth Evans 32
Margaret 11
David John 6
Martha 3
Mary Eliz 1
all born Aberdare except Mary E
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X91B-3N7

There is a David James with wife Sarah A living next door, is he related  :-\

That sounds like it's them! Yep, Mary's older siblings all seem to match with the ages of those here!
Looks like James is her mother's maiden surname. Be good to find out what her parentage was. It can only assume they have very deep Welsh roots.
Mary's younger siblings were called Geraint, Myfanwy & Marion, and she attended a Welsh-speaking non-conformist congregation before she met my great-grandfather, who went to an English-speaking one. 

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Re: Mary Elizabeth Evans' parentage
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 28 October 21 12:03 BST (UK) »
You could buy her birth certificate, and her parents marriage certificate, from the GRO using the details Rosie99 provided. That would be a good start.
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Re: Mary Elizabeth Evans' parentage
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 08 December 22 19:18 GMT (UK) »
Is this the family  :-\

EVANS, MARY  ELIZABETH     mmn JAMES 
GRO Reference: 1900  June Quarter in BRIDGEND  Volume 11A  Page 847

Marriage Mar qtr 1890
Evans,    William       
James,    Elizabeth       
Bridgend    11a   787

1901 - RG13/5000 f42 p32
William Evans 34
Elizabeth Evans 32
Margaret 11
David John 6
Martha 3
Mary Eliz 1
all born Aberdare except Mary E
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X91B-3N7

There is a David James with wife Sarah A living next door, is he related  :-\
Would it be possible to find information on Elizabeth James' parentage?

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Re: Mary Elizabeth Evans' parentage
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 08 December 22 20:48 GMT (UK) »
you need to buy a copy of the marriage cert from the GRO to get the name & occupation of Elizabeth's father. Without a father's name, it's just guesswork which of the Elizabeth James in the area is the one who married William Evans.

https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/login.asp
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Mary Elizabeth Evans' parentage
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 08 December 22 20:53 GMT (UK) »
See reply 5 - you don’t appear to have followed the advice in that reply from 2021
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