Maurice Henry HALES, British Army Soldier, Born 1879, Birmingham, UK

[PIGLET392006]

Hi everyone,

Thanks for the newspaper information on Maurice Henry Hales, he and his brother Frederick were quite the characters.

I purposely didn't include the reference to the other thread on Harry Rundle, my great-grandfather, as it's already complicated enough and of a sensitive nature. The purpose of the thread on Maurice Henry Hales is to ascertain his whereabouts after 1909/1910, hoping any descendants of his that may be doing family history research might come across this thread and shed some light on what happened to him.

The town of Coventry comes up a few times which is quite interesting -  1) Maurice's brother Frederick lived there around 1906, and 2) Harry Jr. (the illegitimate child of Minnie and Maurice born 1903) departed for Coventry around 1933 when his wife Alice died, leaving their son William with his mother-in-law. If Coventry is a common denominator, could Maurice Henry Hales ended up there himself, after discovering the affair his wife Minnie was having?

Regards 

[PIGLET392006]

Hi everyone, is there any possibility of finding out if Maurice Henry Hales was in prison around the time of the 1911 Census? He seemed to be in and out of trouble since his teenage years, particularly after is father died in 1893 and his mother had walked out on the family.

On his wife Minnie's death certificate in 1923, it states she was a widow.

The search period for his whereabouts should be extended to cover the period 1909/1910 - 1923.

Regards 

[Jensam]

Hi especially PIGLET392006. I don't have a lot of detailed information but I am Ethel Hales grand daughter. She was placed in an orphanage with her sister Minnie and brother Stanley who was in an adjacent orphanage by Harry Rundle when her mom passed. There is a sad story of how Ethel saved her bread and jam and gave it to Stanley through a chain link fence as she held his hand since he was younger and frailer than the 2 girls. All three were shipped out as part of England's home children. I have no knowledge of her siblings that were listed in a previous post (maybe died young). Stanley was shipped to Australia, Minnie to Upper Canada and eventually settled in Nova Scotia and Ethel was sent directly to NS. My grandmother was around 9 in the orphanage and when in NS (11) was not one of the lucky children taken in as part of the family. She seemed to be one of the children to work when she arrived (tales of never owing a toy that she could remember). She married young 14? (maybe to escape- who knows) Gilbert Spinney and had 10 children. My mother was one of the older children. We have a cousin who is researching the family tree and may be a source of information. My uncles/aunts actually trying to find a special Christmas gift for their mom found her family in England and Australia. They paid for a visit for her etc meet family in both places. The sad part of that story was her brother died the December before they located him and although she got to meet his wife and children never saw him again (nor knew where he was) from leaving the orphanage in England.

[PIGLET392006]

Hi Jensam, thank you so much for replying!

I haven't been on RootsChat since last year, but will try to keep in touch as often as possible. What prompted me today to log in was coming across an email that mentioned free access to Australian, NZ and UK military records until tomorrow (Tuesday) lunchtime. So I thought I'd better take advantage of that and see what else I can find!

My maternal grandfather was Joseph John Rundle, the youngest child of Harry Rundle and Minnie Eva Inchley. Harry Rundle is my maternal great-grandfather. Stanley was 4 years older than Joseph, and as far as I'm aware, Stanley stayed in the UK. Only Minnie, Ethel and Joseph were sent to Canada and Australia, respectively. Joseph died in 1984. Stanley died quite young I believe, in his mid-20's.

Keep in touch if you wish, and any further information you can provide will be very welcome.

Regards 

[PIGLET392006]

Hi Jensam,

I hope you've had a chance to read the other messages I sent you recently, including the rather lengthy thread on Harry Rundle which includes bits and pieces of information on Maurice Henry Hales.

Did your grandmother recall anything about her father at all, any information she may have passed on to your own mother or even yourself?

He appears to be quite an elusive character from about 1909/1910 onwards. The only seemingly concrete evidence that he died between 1909/1910 - 1923 was the fact that on our great-grandmother Minnie's death certificate, it was stated she was a widow.

His older brother Frederick ended up in living in Coventry, as did his & Minnie's first-born son (born in 1903), Harry Jr., after his wife died. It leaves me wondering whether Coventry was the place Maurice Henry Hales ended up in too, and he perhaps died there.

Regards 

[PIGLET392006]

Hi Jensam,

I'm not sure if you've seen these before regarding your grandmother Ethel:-

http://www.britishhomechildrenregistry.com/Person/bhcInfo/19689

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/211686929/ethel-mary-spinney

This one is for her sister Minnie:-

http://www.britishhomechildrenregistry.com/Person/bhcInfo/66883

Regards 

[PIGLET392006]

CALLING ALL DESCENDANTS OF MAURICE HENRY HALES, BORN 1879, BIRMINGHAM, UK!!

Hi everyone,

I am trying to find out what happened to a MAURICE HENRY HALES (probably also known as Harry Hales, born 1879, of Birmingham, UK), particularly around the period 1909/1910 - 1914/1915. For the purposes of this thread, I'll use the name "Harry Hales" to save typing out his full name. By way of background, I'm including the following information:-

14.  The 1939 Register indicated a Frederick Hales, his wife Florence, and two children living at 17 Barn Lane, Solihull. This address is apparently now Akamba Heritage Centre.

15.  The 1939 Register indicated an Elsie Maud Hales, married to Harry R Harris, and three children living at 84 Riversdale Road, Birmingham.

Regards 

Hi everyone,

I've been away from rootschat for quite some time, but have decided to rejoin & catch up with any research.

The points regarding Frederick Hales & Elsie Maud Hales in the above-mentioned quote are incorrect. Those two Hales individuals belong to completely different families.

So I'm still trying to find any info on the Frederick (b. 1906) & Elsie (b. 1909) born to Harry Hales & Minnie Eva Inchley.

Harry Inchley (b. 1903) is on the 1939 register living in Coventry as a boarder, with Mr & Mrs Kemp.

Regards😊

[Jensam]

Ethel and Minnie both were shipped to Canada by the British government ( to by their choices, they were children from an orphanage. They have many descendants in Nova Scotia, and other parts ofCanada. Ethel and husband raised 10 children, countless grand and great grand children.