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Will of 1583 help please
« on: Sunday 07 November 21 03:33 GMT (UK) »
This is the top half of a will from 1583 for Richard Sayer of Culkerton, Rodmarton, Gloucestershire.  Would anyone be able to give me the gist of it please?  Just his family bequests will be absolutely terrific.  I can make out some words but most of it defeats me.
Many thanks
Alexander, Edwards, Rutledge, Parker, Wood, Orchard, Henwood, Craig of Australia

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Re: Will of 1583 help please
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 07 November 21 09:05 GMT (UK) »
He is a 'husbandman'.
His son Jho the younger is to have 20l which he had borrowed from him, plus ten sheep.
Son Henry to have 20 sheep as a payment for the borrowed money.
The 3 children (not named) of his second son Jho to have a ewe and a lamb
The wife of his son Jho the elder to have one sheep
To Elizabeth the child of his son Henry a ewe and a lamb
To both the children (not named) of son Jho the elder a ewe and a lamb
Wife mentioned but not named
The last two lines again mention son Jho the elder, and Jho the younger

The word Jho has an abbreviation mark over the 'o', so I would think the name is John - often written as Jhon at this time.
He would indeed seem to have two sons both named John. I have come across this before once or twice. It must have made things quite confusing!
Gifts of a ewe and a lamb were common in wills of husbandmen.



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Re: Will of 1583 help please
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 07 November 21 09:35 GMT (UK) »
Is it Sayer or Sawyer?
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Re: Will of 1583 help please
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 07 November 21 11:20 GMT (UK) »
Is it Sayer or Sawyer?
Sawyer can be read in the margin as well as in the text itself.

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Re: Will of 1583 help please
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 07 November 21 14:27 GMT (UK) »
Just clarifying the first two bequests:

...Ite(m) where I owe unto my ^yonger^ sonne Jho(n)

Sawyer xxs w(hi)ch I borrowed of hy(m) I do geve & bequeth unto hym for ye payme(n)t thereof

tenne sheepe w(hi)ch he shall receve yf god calle me out of this world in ye meane tyme aft(er)

yt my wife hathe shorne the(m) at shere tyme next followinge  Ite(m) I geve & bequeth unto my

sonne Henry Sawyer xx shepe w(hi)ch he shall likwise have aft(er) my wife hathe had ye wolle

of the(m) as afore...


xxs = 20 shillings
yt = that

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Re: Will of 1583 help please
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 07 November 21 14:42 GMT (UK) »
After the bequests to the grandchildren there is this:

...Ite(m) I geve unto my elder sonne Jho(n) two shepe neither of the ye worst nor best but of

ye indifferent sort.  Ite(m) my will is yt those v akers & an halfe w(hi)ch I sowed my wife shall have

if she live aft(er) me & if she dye the(n) my sonne Jho(n) the elder shall have those two akers he [sowed?]

& my sonne Jho(n) ye yonger yt one aker yt he sowed & ye other two akers & an halfe shalbe at my...

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Re: Will of 1583 help please
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 07 November 21 21:38 GMT (UK) »
Thank you so much for the interpretations of the will.  They are wonderful.  What a great will, he certainly had a lot of sheep and the two Johns are just going to be so hard to sort out.  But I am so appreciative of the time spent on interpreting it.
Just in case you want to know more (I do!) I will post the second half of the will in a separate post.
Yes, the name was Sawyer but it changes in other records according to who wrote the name down, to Sayer.
Alexander, Edwards, Rutledge, Parker, Wood, Orchard, Henwood, Craig of Australia

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Re: Will of 1583 help please
« Reply #7 on: Tuesday 09 November 21 03:22 GMT (UK) »
I had a spare moment so have done the untranscribed lines from Part 1 to complete the will:

...of Ingland ffrance & Ireland Quene defender of ye faith &c

I Rychard Sawyer of Culkerto(n) in ye cou(n)ty of Gloc(ester) husbandma(n) do make my last testame(n)t

co(n)teyning therin my last & finall will in mann(er) & forme followinge  Inp(r)imis I beq(ue)th my soule

into ye hand(es) of almighty god & my body to be buried in ye churche yard of ye p(ar)ishe church

of Rodm(ar)ton & as for my good(es) this order I take...


Insert block of text from Reply #4 here.

Ite(m) I geve & bequeth unto ev(er)y of the thre childre(n) of my second Sonne

Jho(n) Sawyer a ewe & a lambe to be deliv(er)ed aft(er) ye next sheringe.  Ite(m) I geve unto my

sonne Jho(n) Sawyer ye elder his wife one shepe to be deliv(er)ed as ye others afore.  Ite(m) I

geve unto Henry Sawyer my sons child Elizabeth a ewe & a lambe & unto both ye childern of

my elder sonne Jho(n) Sawyer a ewe & a lambe a pece to be delivered aft(er) ye wolle is shorne of

their bodies.


Block of text from Reply #5 here.

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Re: Will of 1583 help please
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 09 November 21 04:45 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Horselydown86 for completing the will translation.  I think you may have enjoyed the challenge, the writing was pretty terrible but you've both done a wonderful job of it.  I am so happy with it and grateful.
Alexander, Edwards, Rutledge, Parker, Wood, Orchard, Henwood, Craig of Australia