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Parents taking on the child's name as part of their own
« on: Saturday 13 November 21 23:31 GMT (UK) »
I have a line in the family where the parents have added their child's name as part of their own.

For instance, Charles Louis Koster marries Eliza Thorne in Australia in 1859
Their names are consistently recorded this way from birth until they are married.

They have a child, Emily Bertha Koster in 1860
All subsequent records for the mother's name after 1860 are now Eliza Emily Koster
Some other Thornes in Eliza's family line before her, did the same.

This also happens with Charles Louis Koster where he takes on the name Henry as part of his middle name.

Is there a typical guideline (for this) when recording ancestors' names in the broad family tree?

So would I record the above couple as:
Charles Louis Koster and Eliza Thorne?
or
Charles Louis Henry Koster and Eliza Emily Thorne?
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Re: Parents taking on the child's name as part of their own
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 14 November 21 01:09 GMT (UK) »
I would record their names as given on their birth certificates, and add a note about the extra names you have found them using later in life.

It seems an unusual thing to add the childís name to their own.

Did they do this for just the two children, Eliza and Henry, or for subsequent children as well?

What documents do you have for Charles and Eliza which include these additional forenames?

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Re: Parents taking on the child's name as part of their own
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 14 November 21 02:20 GMT (UK) »
Eliza Thorne only added the name Emily to her name after the firstborn.

Charles only added the name Henry to his name after his fourth child (the second boy).

I cross-referenced the birth transcripts, baptisms (where applicable), marriage certificate, death certificates, and census.

If they had missed a middle name off one or two doc documents, then I say it could have been miss recorded. Although it appears to be a consistent pattern and happens on the Thorne side a number of times.






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Re: Parents taking on the child's name as part of their own
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 14 November 21 02:44 GMT (UK) »
I was more wondering if you only had perhaps the one example of Eliza and Charles with these extra names, and whether it may have been added in error (on the death certificate for example)?  :-\

Something that just occurred to me since you say that Charles added the name of his second son Ö.

Do the additions of these names tally with the deaths of their own parents? To me it might make more sense to add the name of a deceased parent rather than a living child. It is possible that the child could have been named after their grandparent anyway.

Just throwing round a couple of ideas, but donít have any real explanation.

Added: I was not aware that there were any useful surviving censuses for Australia apart from the odd name here and there.

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Re: Parents taking on the child's name as part of their own
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 14 November 21 10:28 GMT (UK) »
Was this a way of remembering a dead child?  Do you know if these particular children died young?
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FAIREY/FAIRY/FAREY/FEARY, LAWSON, CHURCH, BENSON, HALSTEAD from Easton, Ellington, Eynesbury, Gt Catworth, Huntingdon, Spaldwick, Hunts;  Burnley, Lancs;  New Zealand, Australia & US.

HURST, BOLTON,  BUTTERWORTH, ADAMSON, WILD, MCIVOR from Milnrow, Newhey, Oldham & Rochdale, Lancs.

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Re: Parents taking on the child's name as part of their own
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 14 November 21 13:16 GMT (UK) »
I was more wondering if you only had perhaps the one example of Eliza and Charles with these extra names, and whether it may have been added in error (on the death certificate for example)?  :-\

Something that just occurred to me since you say that Charles added the name of his second son Ö.

Do the additions of these names tally with the deaths of their own parents? To me it might make more sense to add the name of a deceased parent rather than a living child. It is possible that the child could have been named after their grandparent anyway.

Just throwing round a couple of ideas, but donít have any real explanation.

Added: I was not aware that there were any useful surviving censuses for Australia apart from the odd name here and there.


Apologies for the late reply. I got delayed wiring downlights in our roof. Not as fast as I once was :)

Eliza's mother was also named Eliza, but the old sister was Emily. Which is the only other in the family with that name.

Sisters Eliza and Emily Thorne both immigrated to Australia from Hampshire after their parents died.  So these are the Census I'm referring to.  :)

This line and names become even more interesting in the following generation in Australia.
Eliza and Charles's first son moves to a cattle station in NSW and he changes his last name Koster to Nelson. On speaking with the direct descendants of this particular family, they said it was during WWI which is the only reason they could come up with for the name change.

And now more recently I began digging into information on one of the younger Koster daughters. Since initially there was almost no information on her apart from a birth in South Australia and a death year in Melbourne. Turns out she to changed her full name, not once, but twice in 3 years. I got lucky with the info, as there was quite a large inquest with plenty of documentation on the death (once I found it under the new name). It was big news for the time, appearing in a little over 50 newspapers throughout Australia in 1921.

This family line is certainly interesting, to say the least.




 
NORTON (Kent), KEECH (Dorset), MOOR / MOORE (Kent), HOCKING (Dorset / Somerset), LEVI (City of York), SANDWELL (Kent), CHAFFIN  (Dorset / Somerset), STRONG (Dorset)