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Re: Was the army of the British East India Company ever in Carlow?
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 30 November 21 09:15 GMT (UK) »
Son Lawrence born in Money in August 1865. Father's occupation "pensioner":

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03562/2311925.pdf
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Re: Was the army of the British East India Company ever in Carlow?
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 30 November 21 09:33 GMT (UK) »
Patrick Brien receiving a pension at Frankford in 1878, ex "depot Artillery"

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO22%2F212%2F00006&parentid=GBM%2FWO22%2F212%2F00006%2F0253249

Another one, with his signature (usually he just made a mark):

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO22%2F212%2F00118&parentid=GBM%2FWO22%2F212%2F00118%2F0254893

A possible discharge record: Patrick Brien born Wexford circa 1822, joined the East India Company's Bengal Artillery in 1842 and served 19 years in India. Discharged in 1862, intending to reside in Co Kildare.

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FWO97%2F1310%2F072%2F001&parentid=GBM%2FWO97%2F1310%2F724769
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Re: Was the army of the British East India Company ever in Carlow?
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 30 November 21 09:41 GMT (UK) »
Comparing the signature of the Bengal Artillery soldier in 1862 with that of the Frankford pensioner in 1878, it looks to be the same man:
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Re: Was the army of the British East India Company ever in Carlow?
« Reply #12 on: Monday 20 November 23 04:17 GMT (UK) »
Looking at the marriage entry it gives the address for both parties as Coal Market which is a street in Carlow town .Its now called Kennedy street .
I wonder perhaps is this where you got the coal merchant from ?

The address given for his parents looks like Black????? Kildare to me (Blackswood near Prosperous ?)

https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000634430#page/25/mode/1up

Occupations weren't stated in this marriage register.
Notice that there was a dispensation for the marriage. The reason is in the final column on the opposite page - "Vagi" Latin for someone moving around, meaning that they weren't residents of the parish.
Were Patrick's children born in Ireland? Birth registrations 1864 onwards will have father's residence & occupation.

Vagi was the term used for tinkers.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area


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Re: Was the army of the British East India Company ever in Carlow?
« Reply #13 on: Monday 20 November 23 04:19 GMT (UK) »
There are very extensive records of the East India Company in England.
That is where I would look.
BRENNANx2 Davidstown/Taghmon,Ballybrennan; COOPER St.Helens;CREAN Raheennaskeagh/Ballywalter;COSGRAVE Castlebridge?;CULLEN Lady's Island;CULLETON Forth Commons;CURRAN Hillbrook, Wic;DOYLE Clonee/Tombrack;FOX Knockbrandon; FURLONG Moortown;HAYESx2 Walsheslough/Wex;McGILL Litter;MORRIS Forth Commons;PIERCE Ladys Island;POTTS Bennettstown;REDMOND Gerry; ROCHEx2 Wex; ROCHFORD Ballysampson/Ballyhit;SHERIDAN Moneydurtlow; SINNOTT Wex;SMYTH Gerry/Oulart;WALSH Kilrane/Wex; WHITE Tagoat area

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Re: Was the army of the British East India Company ever in Carlow?
« Reply #14 on: Monday 20 November 23 10:14 GMT (UK) »


Looking at the marriage entry it gives the address for both parties as Coal Market which is a street in Carlow town .Its now called Kennedy street .


GeoHive National Townland and Historical Map Viewer
Historic 25" map (1897-1913)

Coal Market south of St Mary's Church
https://arcg.is/i4PKO0


Updated link showing Coal Market-
MapGenie 25 Inch - ITM (1897-1913) in BaseMap Gallery
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