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"three" denunciations on roman catholic marriage cert
« on: Wednesday 24 November 21 20:43 GMT (UK) »
hi, my ancestors were married in 1894 and the "denunciations" section of the record has the word "three" written into the box. im aware that denunciations refer to impedements to the marriage but have no idea what three could mean in that context. if anyone could give me a hand it would be appreciated, thanks!

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Re: "three" denunciations on roman catholic marriage cert
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 25 November 21 00:46 GMT (UK) »
Third degree of consanguinity?
ie they were related by a common ancestor 3 generations before.
Lane, Burgess: Cheshire. Finney, Rogers, Gilman:Derbys
Cochran, Nicol, Paton, Bruce:Scotland. Bertolle:London
Bainbridge, Christman, Jeffs: Staffs

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Re: "three" denunciations on roman catholic marriage cert
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 25 November 21 01:42 GMT (UK) »
Third degree of consanguinity?
ie they were related by a common ancestor 3 generations before.

Can you please check whether the column heading is Dispensations rather than Denunciations?

The word dispensation is normally associated with consanguinity concerns.  If the heading is Dispensations, then the reason is almost certainly as Goldie has outlined.

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The heading may be in Latin, so post a clip if unsure.


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Re: "three" denunciations on roman catholic marriage cert
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 25 November 21 12:55 GMT (UK) »
Third degree of consanguinity?
ie they were related by a common ancestor 3 generations before.

Can you please check whether the column heading is Dispensations rather than Denunciations?

The word dispensation is normally associated with consanguinity concerns.  If the heading is Dispensations, then the reason is almost certainly as Goldie has outlined.

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The heading may be in Latin, so post a clip if unsure.


the heading definitley says denunciations, multiple of the columns under denunciations have "disp" under them which i can only assume is short for dispensation, i attached a photo for context.

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Re: "three" denunciations on roman catholic marriage cert
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 25 November 21 13:12 GMT (UK) »
Three sets of Banns?
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Re: "three" denunciations on roman catholic marriage cert
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 25 November 21 13:36 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for posting the photo.  In Latin denuntiationes (plural) has this range of meanings:

announcement/notification/indication; warning/threat; denunciation/allegation;
declaration (war); injunction; admonition; summons, formal legal notice;


If we consider the meaning to be announcements or notices, minus the pejorative sense prevalent in the English definition, then an entry of Three seems likely to refer to banns (as heywood has suggested).

However I'm only speculating.  You need an answer from someone with expertise in these records.

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Re: "three" denunciations on roman catholic marriage cert
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 25 November 21 13:39 GMT (UK) »

Denuntiationes – denunciations (refers to if there are any impediments to a marriage)

there appears to be lots of impediments!!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impediment_(Catholic_canon_law)#List_of_diriment_impediments_to_marriage
Pender, Raphael,Lambert,Digby,Stent,
Dowell,cornish,mulley,Death,Rosier,
East End,Suffolk,Essex,Cornwall,Devon,London,  middlesex, hertfordshire                                      Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: "three" denunciations on roman catholic marriage cert
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 25 November 21 13:50 GMT (UK) »
There is a seperate column for Impediments.
Example here https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1862-1881_ma_0168

If you look at Denunciations - the entries are either ‘dispensation’ or ‘tres’ which I would think is dispensation from Banns or three sets.
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Re: "three" denunciations on roman catholic marriage cert
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 25 November 21 14:48 GMT (UK) »
There is a seperate column for Impediments.
Example here https://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/display-pdf.jsp?pdfName=st.mary%27s-pro-cath_mf_1862-1881_ma_0168

If you look at Denunciations - the entries are either ‘dispensation’ or ‘tres’ which I would think is dispensation from Banns or three sets.


im quite new to interpreting these marriage certs, what would three sets of banns imply? thank you all for your help so far! :)