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Re: help find missing child North Shields
« Reply #18 on: Friday 31 December 21 11:26 GMT (UK) »
I have just looked up full marriage entry on microfilm just in case this might be of interest:

Holy Trinity
Entry 146
Andrew Peter Johnson & Margaret Thewlis
His age 26
Her age 19
Bachelor & Spinster
Labourer
His residence: 27 Mount Pleasant
Father: Andrew Peter Johnson - Sailor
Her residence: 44 Ropery Banks
Father: Henry Thewlis - Carpenter
Both signed
Witnesses: Margaret Gilhespie x her mark
& Jane Annie Gilhespie
By Banns
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Re: help find missing child North Shields
« Reply #19 on: Friday 31 December 21 11:55 GMT (UK) »
Just a last bit more on family:

http://www.marriage-locator.co.uk/cgi-bin/ML_search.cgi?year=1866&qtr=2&vol=10b&page=342&search=search

Just to add further the North Shields local studies doesn't have microfilms for Holy Saviour but there is a volume which records Peter Johnson age 33 married here 22 May 1866 mariner of this parish;  Father: Christie Johnson - Master Mariner
Same date (obviously) for Edith Rebecca Charlton age 20; Father: Michael Charlton - Master Mariner.  Abode Tynemouth.
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Re: help find missing child North Shields
« Reply #20 on: Friday 31 December 21 12:50 GMT (UK) »
There is also this one:

Preston Cemetery
Entry 2202
Edith M Johnson
Female
Age 5 hours
Daughter of Andrew P Johnson
Mount Pleasant
Burial 20 August 1900
Ceremony by (W. Lousan?) Curate of Holy Tri
nity
Consecrated plot 3723
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Re: help find missing child North Shields
« Reply #21 on: Friday 31 December 21 12:55 GMT (UK) »
There is also this one:

Preston Cemetery
Entry 2202
Edith M Johnson
Female
Age 5 hours
Daughter of Andrew P Johnson
Mount Pleasant
Burial 20 August 1900
Ceremony by (W. Lousan?) Curate of Holy Tri
nity
Consecrated plot 3723

aww another baby born and died too soon now confirmed as having been here and been loved even for her short life:-) Bless her.
and bless you too!

Boo



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Re: help find missing child North Shields
« Reply #22 on: Friday 31 December 21 13:00 GMT (UK) »
Yes, she must have been loved; I have come across babies this young where the ceremony was dispensed with but baby Edith had one.  So sad too .. only 5 hours!
Yes, bless her and bless you too Boo for your kind words.

Happy New Year.
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Re: help find missing child North Shields
« Reply #23 on: Friday 31 December 21 20:09 GMT (UK) »
Possibility? ...

http://www.marriage-locator.co.uk/cgi-bin/ML_search.cgi?year=1899&qtr=3&vol=10b&page=240&search=search

Edith Mary Johnson may have married at the registry office in Newcastle 1899.
I have added venue as a postem on Freebmd.
Possible spouses for this marriage showing as James Cavanagh and Robert Edminson.


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Re: help find missing child North Shields
« Reply #24 on: Friday 31 December 21 20:21 GMT (UK) »
An Edith M Cavanagh died 1926 Newcastle upon Tyne.

There appears to be a Catholic entry (St Dominic) for this person for a burial 4 January 1927.  This does not mean she was buried here (no burials here); possibly at a nearby cemetery.

Added: No, ignore all above this one only age 29 on Freemd.  Unless transcription error in age.


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Re: help find missing child North Shields
« Reply #25 on: Saturday 01 January 22 12:43 GMT (UK) »
Not got anywhere yet with your Edith Mary Johnson, born 1871

This is a long shot possible for Sarah Johnson born 1879, last seen on the 1891 census though, I'd searched the 1901 census for Sarah, born 1879 +/- 2 years, birthplace North Shields.
1901 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSMB-KG4?
1911 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWMF-KB1?

Check the 1911 image to see how many years they'd been married.

There is a 'possible' marriage for a
Sarah Johnson and Thomas Coleman Q2 1898, Sunderland District, 10a 977
Marriage Locator does not give any info for this ref. so no chance of looking it up in a parish register at an archives.  Sunderland Registrars may help with a short, specific enquiry, and it helps them if you quote their local reference (rather than the combined GRO ref)

Sunderland Registrars site has a search facility, start here:
https://www.sunderland.gov.uk/article/12356/Request-copies-of-birth-death-and-marriage-certificates#cookie-consents-updated

choose to proceed and confirm the event was in Sunderland District
On the next page click to add the cert
and then you finally get to the search screen (this does not commit you to a purchase, but will give you the local registrars ref.
Specify Marriages, 1891 - 1900
Surname Coleman, Forename Thomas and hit the search button
Only 1 result, click on the Plus sign at the end of the line and it confirms he married a Sarah Johnson

Note the Index number and close the page down.

Now email the registrars at the address on this page (NB type the full address into the mail as if you click on it, it will go to the Darlington Registrars - lord alone knows why)

https://www.sunderland.gov.uk/copy-certificates

Give them the index number and bride and groom names and ask if they have the time to check to confirm/deny if the bride's father was Peter Johnson, a seaman, (who was deceased by the time of this marriage).

They aren't allowed to 'give' any info but usually will check the information you send and tell you if its a match for the register entry.

If they say yes, then you'd need to get the cert to be more sure that its the right Sarah - witnesses may give further clues, but if they say its not a match then at least discounting this one is a baby step forward.

Boo


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Re: help find missing child North Shields
« Reply #26 on: Saturday 01 January 22 16:31 GMT (UK) »
Also ...
I still think the Edith Mary Johnson who married in 1899 could be a possibility for missing Edith.

The Edith Mary Cavanagh who died in 1926 aged 29 might have been born around 1897 or she might be first Edith with incorrectly transcribed age.
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