Looking for origin Country for Peter Lunn (Lun, Lund, Luhn, Lunne) and wife.

[wivenhoe]

"On 2 other records Peter's occupation is given as "Mariner".

Can you please identify these records.

[wivenhoe]

How are you descended from Peter and Lydia LUNN?

[Framesmiths1816]

"On 2 other records Peter's occupation is given as "Mariner".

Can you please identify these records.

Hi,

One entry is on the 1805 death record of 5 year old Peter Lun St Marys Rotherhithe where it gives the father as Peter Lun Mariner. The second is on the 1843 marriage record of son James Lunn to Elizabeth Nicholls Deptford.

Peter and Lydia are my 5th Great Grandparents.

Regards
Mark

[Framesmiths1816]

I spoke with a Norwegian friend who speaks Norwegian, Swedish and Danish He thinks that the most likely Norwegian version of Lunnberry might be Lunberg. The G is silent and "berg" is pronounced as "bear". Lunn in Norwegian is more likely to sound like Lune or Loon to an English person with the N sound like Neh so also together something like Lune-nah-bear. When looking at the Lewin Bell possibility there is a Swedish name Lunbell and a Norwegian name Loewenberg. There is also Lundeberg for the one spelling of Lund.

I am starting to think that the Peter Lewin Bell / Lydia Cheeseman marriage has a connection. The birth of son Peter Cheeseman in 1800 ties with the death of Peter Lun in 1805. Maybe they gave the name as Cheeseman at the baptism because father Peter, being a Mariner, wasn't present. From the 1861 census Lydia Lunnberry seems to come from Frimley even though on the 1841 census it says Foreign parts.

The other possibility I am entertaining is that Peter Lewin Bell maybe hiding his identity. It is possible he might be a returned transported convict. A crime that carried capital punishment.

The time line looks like this so far

1798 Marriage Peter Lewin Bell to Lydia Cheeseman St Marys Rotherhithe
1800 Birth Peter Cheeseman St Marys Rotherhither
1802 Birth Maria Lunn St Peters Frimley
1805 Death Peter Lun St Marys Rotherhithe
1806 Birth William James Lund St Marys Rotherhithe
1809 Maria (Maybe same Maria as 1802 - 1851 census lists her as born in Trimley)
1809 Birth of James Thomas Lunn St Marys Rotherhithe
1813 Birth of Thomas George Lunn St Marys Rotherhithe
1817 Birth of Ellen Lunnbury (Baptised 1825 St Marys Rotherhithe) 1st known use of Lunnbury/Lunnberry
1841 Census family name given as Lunn
1843 James Thomas marries in Deptford surname given as Lunn
1843 Eleanor Lunnbury marries at St James Bermondsey (Father Peter Lunnbury, witnesses sister Maria (Horwood) brother Thomas Lunnbury)
1843 Peter Lunn father dies aged 75 St Marys Rotherhithe
1851 Census Lydia gives names as Lunnberry
1856 Lydia Lunnbury mother dies

I descend from James Thomas and the surname Lunn comes down that line into current usage. Neither Peter or Lydia could write so I am guessing some variation in surname spelling is understandable but a complete change from Lewin Bell to Lun, Lund, Lunn, Lunnbury and Lunnberry is a big surprise.

If anyone one has any other ideas as to why this might have happened then I would like to hear them.

Regards
Mark

[bearkat]

A great summary.

If their names has been more common than Peter & Lydia you wouldn't have got this far.

If Peter was Norwegian and had a strong accent he may have been difficult to understand.

Have you tried looking for Peter's baptism either in UK or Europe?

[Framesmiths1816]

A great summary.

If their names has been more common than Peter & Lydia you wouldn't have got this far.

If Peter was Norwegian and had a strong accent he may have been difficult to understand.

Have you tried looking for Peter's baptism either in UK or Europe?

Hi Bearkat,

Yes you are correct, without those names it would have been much harder. I have also found some additional information in the last 24 hours which enable an educated guess at his name.

I am playing a hunch that it is some variation of Peter Nilsen Lundberg.

Peter might be Peter, Peder, Petter or Per
Nilsen might be Nilsen or Neilson
Lundberg could be Lunnberg, Lunberg, Lundberg

Born around 1769 to 1774 . I am starting search Norwegian records but as I only speak / read a very little Norwegian it is slow going.

Regards
Mark

[Mabel Bagshawe]

here's one to add to the list

Maria Lunnbury
William Horwood
Marriage    9 Feb 1835    St Leonard, Shoreditch

Sadly it's a short record with no parents names. Eleanor was one of the witnesses. Both girls made their mark, so probably wouldn;t know if ther name was recorded properly    

[Framesmiths1816]

here's one to add to the list

Maria Lunnbury
William Horwood
Marriage    9 Feb 1835    St Leonard, Shoreditch

Sadly it's a short record with no parents names. Eleanor was one of the witnesses. Both girls made their mark, so probably wouldn;t know if ther name was recorded properly

Thank you Mabel,

I had been looking for that marriage without success today.

Every bit of info helps.

Regards
Mark

[jamcat95]

Peter might be Peter, Peder, Petter or Per
Nilsen might be Nilsen or Neilson
Lundberg could be Lunnberg, Lunberg, Lundberg

Born around 1769 to 1774 . I am starting search Norwegian records but as I only speak / read a very little Norwegian it is slow going.

Regards
Mark

Hi Mark

If you need help with anything Scandinavian just ask, no problem.

Here is for example a Peder Gregersen Lundberg as a ship's captain in Skien 1801. He is single and born 1771:
https://media.digitalarkivet.no/view/58303/35 - nr 160

Ian

Added:
This isn't your Peter btw, unfortunately. He had a family and died in Norway.