Looking for origin Country for Peter Lunn (Lun, Lund, Luhn, Lunne) and wife.

[softly softly]

Could this possibly be Lydia's death, age ties in nicely with a dob of 1777.

CHEESMAN, LYDIA       80 
GRO Reference: 1857  M Quarter in MAIDSTONE  Volume 02A  Page 260

John

[bearkat]

I think there are census entries that could be the Lydia who died in Maidstone.

There is a baptism for a Liddy Chesman 21 May 1780 at Bisley, daughter of Jethrow and Elizebeth. Bisley is not far from Frimley.

[softly softly]

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Name:   Peter Cheeseman
Gender:   Male
Birth Date:   27 Aug 1800
Baptism Date:   26 Oct 1800
Baptism Place:   St Mary,Rotherhithe,London,England
Father:   
Peter Cheeseman
Mother:   
Lydia
FHL Film Number:   254545

John

[rosie99]

I think Annette has cracked it  .   

 

I think there are census entries that could be the Lydia who died in Maidstone.

There is a baptism for a Liddy Chesman 21 May 1780 at Bisley, daughter of Jethrow and Elizebeth. Bisley is not far from Frimley.

Another good find,  . 
Sophia Cheeseman with same parents was baptised at St Peter, Frimley 1 Nov 1788 and an Elizabeth at St Lawrence Chobham 25 May 1785

[Framesmiths1816]

Hi everyone,

I am not sure what to make of the Peter Lewin Bell / Lydia Cheeseman references. It maybe that the surname under went spelling changes at this time (c1800). Digging around in the St Mary's Rotherhithe registers I have found a 1770 baptism for a Peter Lawn or Lown (F Peter, M Susanna) plus a 1768 baptism for Sarah Elizabeth Lowne (Lonne) to the same parents. There is also 1766 marriage between Peter Lawn and Susanna Clements. Could the name have morphed from something like Lawn, Lown, Lonne, Lownde to Lun, Lund, Lunn? I still have the puzzle of the 1841 census though that seems to indicate neither Peter or Lydia were from the County and were of "Foreign Parts". The Lewin names turns up a number of people in Newgate for Transportation which could give a reason to want to change a surname perhaps if linked with some bad publicity.
I am going to have to spend sometime thinking about the possibilities.

Thanks
Mark

[Framesmiths1816]

Hi everyone,

I have found what appears to be the same family group still living in Neptune Court in the 1851 census. There is definitely something odd going on with the surname.

In 1851 Lydia Lunn is now Lydia Lunnbury aged 70 and born in Trimley ??
The daughter Maria is widowed and has the surname Harwood and is also from Trimley Surrey ??
The Daughter Ellen is now called Eleanor and is married to Thomas Simpson. There is a matching St Marys Baptism 16 Jan 1825 born 17 June 1817 Rotherhithe surname Lunnberry parents Peter and Lydia Lunn-Berry (Mariner)
A grand daughter Mary Ann Lunnbury aged 3 is also listed but I do not know her parents connection yet.

This leaves me wondering the following points.
1. Does Trimley = Frimley ?
2. Does the Peter Lewin Bell marriage match? Lewin-Bell could it be a version of Lunn-Bury/Berry?

Any thoughts?

Regards
Mark

[bearkat]

It's certainly intriguing.

I think Trimley is Frimley.  It certainly matches with the baptisms records.

The variants in surname are confusing but everything sort of fits.

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Lunnberry could be an anglicisation of a surname from another language which doesn't easily render into english spelling (doing Welsh research you see rather a lot of that with placenames on censuses!)

[Mabel Bagshawe]

Lydia dies in 1856

Looking at 1861, Mary Ann may be Maria's daughter. They're both with Thomas and Eleanor Simpson, although due to some over enthusiastic use of dittos, they are indexed as Maria Harwood Simpson, widow, and Mary Ann Simpson, niece.

There's a Mary Ann Amelia Harwood registered in Rotherhithe in 1848, but mmn is Gale