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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #18 on: Saturday 08 January 22 22:09 GMT (UK) »
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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 08 January 22 23:41 GMT (UK) »
Got confused with the John McDonnell birth connection. My great grandmother Ellen last name was Nevin. So who is Ellen Shrulin or Shruane married to McDonnell?

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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 09 January 22 00:26 GMT (UK) »
Also Ellen Nevin died in 1909.


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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 09 January 22 07:50 GMT (UK) »
Also Ellen Nevin died in 1909.

See aghadowey's reply #3

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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 09 January 22 11:09 GMT (UK) »
Got confused with the John McDonnell birth connection. My great grandmother Ellen last name was Nevin. So who is Ellen Shrulin or Shruane married to McDonnell?

It all fits together so bear with me but it's taking ages to get it all typed out from newspapers, etc. However, the whole story revolves around the farm at Corbo and Shruhans (by whatever spelling) at Lanesboro Road/Street in Roscommon.

Still have a bit more to add in then will post on this thread (possibly in several posts as there is LOTS) ...
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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 09 January 22 15:59 GMT (UK) »
Starting with Thomas Nevin- you will have much or perhaps all of this information but putting it in so everyone can see it.

Thomas Nevin (May 1862-17 June 1924 Corbo) m.(10 Aug.1893 N.Y.) Winifred Benson (Aug.1871 Ire.-1905); m. Ellen Gilleran (1 Jan.1874-28 July 1916 Corbo, childbirth)
To US 1885- Returned to Ireland 1908 according to daughter Winifred’s passport application
Marriage- parents Thomas Nevin & Ellen Schrows
1900- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:S3HT-6QSQ-DWG
1905 N.Y. State Census- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SPF3-X38
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Roscommon/Drumdaff/Corbo/780324/
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05229/4447859.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1924/05033/4376809.pdf
Children of Thomas & Winifred:
1. Stephen Nevin (1894-1894)
Death- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W6Q-KQD
2. Annie Nevin (14 Sept.1895 NY-aft.1911)
Birth- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WSL-TNZ
3. Ellen Nevin (25 Sept.1899 NY-aft.1930)
Birth- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2W3W-VPG
1930 to US- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-95WP-94HC
4. Thomas Nevin (21 Oct.1902 NY-aft.1928)
To US 1928- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-95WR-THQ (sister Mrs. O’Neill)
5. Winifred Nevin (16 Aug.1904 N.Y.) m.(1930) Kenneth Doyle
1910- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33SQ-GRV4-J39
1915- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K95B-QRV
US passport application (1920)- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-89XM-XQLH (next page includes description & photo)
1930- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RCQ-4WN
Marriage- https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2C6-YGNS
Children of Thomas & Ellen:
6. Mary Nevin (1 May 1910 Corbo)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1910/01569/1632970.pdf
7. James Nevin (8 Oct.1911 Corbo)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1911/01509/1612944.pdf
8. Michael John Nevin (1913 Corbo-1983), to U.S. c1930
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1913/01450/1592914.pdf
9. Catherine Nevin (28 July 1916 Corbo-29 July 1916 Corbo)
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1916/01327/1548048.pdf
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1916/05229/4447859.pdf
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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 09 January 22 16:19 GMT (UK) »
At the centre of the story is Corbo, a townland of approx. 372 acres halfway between Roscommon and Lanesborough, just of the Lanesborough Road.
https://www.townlands.ie/roscommon/ballintober-south/kilbride/drumdaff/corbo/
You can see the area on Google Maps (go to Streetview to ‘drive’ around)

In Griffith’s Valuation (printed 1857) there is a Michael Madden in Corbo with just over 19 acres and one of the better houses in the townland. This may or may not be the farm of Michael Flynn.

Fast forward to 1892 when a widow Anne Madden marries Michael Flynn, a veteran from the American Civil War.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1892/10644/5878153.pdf
The bride’s residence is Corbo and it’s possible she came to the farm through her first marriage. Anne’s maiden name was Shrulin, her father James Shrulin already dead. Ages aren’t given on the marriage but the 1901 census was only a few years later-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Roscommon/Drumdaff/Corbo/1668472/
If the ages are correct then Michael was born c1831 (certain old enough to be Civil War vet) and Anne considerably younger (20 years, so born c1851). Also in the household, besides a farm servant (not surprising they needed someone to do the majority of the hard labour) is Anne’s widowed sister- Ellen Nevin! So, if Anne’s father was a James Shrulin then it stands to reason that he was also Ellen’s father.

One bit of information we didn’t have earlier was that Anne died before her husband Michael. Her death here (only Ann Flynn died between 1901/1909 in Roscommon district)?
Anne Flynn, Lanesboro St., Roscommon, age 72, married, informant- nephew John McDonnell-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1906/05569/4563860.pdf (born c1834 which is much nearer Michael’s age but far off 1901 census age)
I did find Michael Flynn was granted administration of Ann’s estate (a small sum) so she didn’t leave a Will.
http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014915/005014915_00393.pdf
Roscommon Messenger, 10 Feb.1906: Death and Funeral of Mrs Anne Flynn, Corbo, Kilbride. The death took place on Monday morning last of Mrs Anne Flynn, member of a family well known and highly esteemed in the district. Deceased had been living with her brother in Roscommon, and for some time past had been …

By 1909 Thomas Nevin is at Corbo.
Now, on 9 Jan.1909 Michael Flynn dies (finally found Michael’s death which took a while since wrong image was attached to entry)- widower, Pensioner American Army, informant- nephew Thomas Nevin of Corbo-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05468/4530642.pdf

So far seems pretty simple. Thomas Nevin went off to America c1885, by 1901 his widowed mother Ellen was living at Corbo with her sister Anne Flynn (no sign that Michael or Anne had any children). Thomas Nevin comes back to Ireland with children Annie, Ellen & Thomas after first wife dies (little Winifred raised in N.Y. by aunt).
1909 was a busy year at Corbo. In January Michael Flynn dies; in April Thomas re-marries (those young children need a mother, after all, and if, as it seems, his mother Ellen's in poor health then a wife could look after the house and mother-in-law as well).

Ellen Nevin d.24 July 1909 at Corbo-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05451/4525276.pdf
Roscommon Messenger, 28 Aug.1909: Late Mrs Ellen Nevin. On Monday last, _ inst, was celebrated the month’s mind for the repose of the soul of the late Mrs Ellen Nevin, of Corbo, whose interment look place at Derrane cemetery on 26th July last. The following clergymen assisted Rev. J. Neary, CC, Derrane, celebrant; Rev. J. O'Dowd, CC, …
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Re: Thomas Nevin’s Ancestors
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 09 January 22 16:31 GMT (UK) »
Possibly Michael Flynn had no close family or Anne Flynn wished her nephew Thomas, returned from America, to have the farm. In any case, your Thomas Nevin is at Corbo and looks to get the property until the following year there was a court case-
Roscommon Messenger, 21 May 1910: M'DONNELL V NEVIN. John M'Donnell, Lanesboro’ Road, sought an ejectment the title against Thomas Nevto [Nevin?], Corbo, respect the lands of Corbo, containing 19a 35p [3r 5p more likely]. Mr Maurice Staunton, solicitor, Castlerea, appeared for plaintiff, and M Moran for the Mr ... [this is the bit I posted earlier but found more interesting snippets which may not be in order]

… lands to the plaintiff in this action. He found by the rent book that the plaintiffs name was put in it 1906, apparently replacing the name of Anne Flynn, and he would prove that in May, ’06, November, ’06, and May, ’07, the rent was paid by plaintiff, John M'Donnell …
... Michael Flynn, finding himself delicate health, assigned his right, title and interest in said lands to Mrs Anne Flynn. At this time Michael Flynn, as recited, was in delicate health, and plaintiff and Mr James Shruane assisted Flynn In the management the farm. They worked the farm and put their money in it and stocked it, and put their labour into it until … died. In 1905 a notice fix fair rent was served the name Mrs Anne Flynn. At this time Mr McDonnell and his uncle managed and looked after the place. When Mrs Flynn was seriously ill he took her into his mother's house in Roscommon in order that she would be better looked after. She finally died there on the 6th February, 1906. The plaintiff …


...when he [Michael Flynn?] came from America, but he gave some of it to his friends at Taughboy. Nevin’s mother lived at Corbo also. No. Not the time of the marriage. She lived in her sister’s in Lanesboro’ Street? Yes. About 11 years ago. Was Thos Nevin always there except when be went to America? Yes ... ['his friends' in this context probably mean distant relatives of Michael's who lived at Taughboy- I haven't followed this up. It seems as though Ellen Nevin lived with a sister in Roscommon until she came to Corbo c1899- more on this later]

... belonging to Flynn was lodged in the bank in the name of the plaintiff as trustee for Flynn. These statements were contrary to fact. The fact was that the money was given to Anne Flynn herself in consideration of her assigning the farm to Michael Flynn ...

... transferred him. He was 68 or 69 when he married witness’s grand-aunt. Witness and his uncle principally managed the lands after the marriage. Flynn assigned the lands to witnesss grand-aunt In 1899 At the time Michael Flynn was 74 or 75 years of age … managed ... [another important bit of information is that Anne was John McDonnell's great-aunt- more on this later]

The whole article would need to be read to get full details and to make sure I haven't mis-understood anything by getting random snippets. Whatever the outcome, Thomas Nevin stayed at Corbo. Perhaps the case was dismissed, found in his favour or he had to pay off John McDonnell to keep the farm.
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