Birth of John Cole

[Ashnz]

Hi there,

I am researching the birth date of John Cole. His father was Charles Cole and his mother Elizabeth James (born 1833). John had 3 siblings: Robert Cole born 1853 in East Dean, Gloucestershire, Mary Cole born 1857 East Dean, Gloucestershire and Fanny Cole born 1859 East Dean, Gloucestershire.
John was born in the years before 1863.

Warmest regards and many thanks,

Ashley

[wivenhoe]

Where are you seeing these people....names, ages, locations?

If it is a Census entry can you identify it please.

What happened in 1863....how is that a reference point?

[wivenhoe]

Ancestry Census England 1861  @ Blakeney Hill East Dean Gloucestershire

COLE Charles    25y  coalminer       b. Awre Gloucestershire
COLE Mary        28y                      b. East Dean Gloucestershire
COLE Robert       8y                       b. East Dean Gloucestershire
COLE Mary         5y                       b. East Dean Gloucestershire
COLE Fanny        2y                      b. East Dean Gloucestershire

Where is this family for Census 1871?
 

[Neale1961]

John Coles birth registration is Dec quarter 1861 in Westbury on Severn.
Mmn - James
Vol 06A page 189

Baptism  was 20 Oct 1861 at Blakeney.
Parents Elizabeth and Charles, a Collier. Address Blakeney Hill.

[Capetown]

Ashley, you will find the records on this site

Forest of Dean Family History

https://forest-of-dean.net

(free to join, just register)


The above website is speficially for the area you are researching and has thousands of records of all sorts, which you will find under the heading: Under Resources.

You can search for the children named COLE, parents: Charles & Elizabeth

Surname:
Soundex ( which is very useful and surnames can have varies spellings
Father's name: (sometimes the Christian name is bracketed, e.g.  Ch(a)rles
Mother's name: (again somes the Christian name is bracketed, e.g. Eliz(a)beth

Just had a very quick look and by using the above system - and not putting in where they were christened, there is another child of Elizabeth and Charles

at English Bicknor

Elizabeth COLE, 15 July 1866

parents: Charles  (occupation labourer)  & Elizabeth
residence: The Hopyard

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British History on Line, English Bicknor. ...  Hop cultivation continued in 1865 and in 1792 a field adjoining orchards next to Millay Grove, north-east of the village, was down as the Hop Yard.

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Using the Advance Search on the Forest of Dean website and baptisms - there 7 baptisms listed at English Bicknor residence: The Hopyard

HOWELS 1850
MARSHALL - 1855
etc etc.

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On the website, there is a facility to search for witnesses and weddings and other advance searches etc.

My family were from the Forest of Dean.

[Capetown]

In the surname, you can just put a Wild Card, the symbol I use is %

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Marriage at Cinderford St John
28 September 1855

Charles COLE aged 21, bachelor, occupation: Collier, residence: Bradley Hill
father: Robert COLE, labourer

Elizabeth JAMES - aged 22, Spinster, residence: Dean's Hill
father: Adam JAMES, Woodcutter
Marriage by Banns:

He signs, she signs, mark of James PRICE and Caroline HALE.


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Robert, appears to have been christened at Blakeney, prior to the marriage

19 June 1853
Robert James Adam JAMES  (Sarah's father's christian name was Adam)

Father's forename: not stated
Mother's forename: Elizabeth
Occupation: Spinster

Residence: Blakeney Hill

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Charles COLE, christened at Blakeney, March 1835,
parents: Robert (occupation) labourer, residence: Woodside  (mother Ann)

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Marriage at Awre - 31 December 1833

Robert COLE, Ann WILLIAMS -

both sign: Witnesses: William WILLIAMS ** and Charles FENNELL

Memoranda: With consent of parents:

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? Can't see any more children of Robert & Ann COLE
? burial at Awre - 29 April 1835,
Robert COLE aged 26,
residence: Forest of Dean

?Baptism at Awre - 27 March 1808

Robert COLE,
parents: Robert and Mary nee (MINETT, Spinster]r

Memoranda: Son born January 23

**  ? baptism at Awre

4 March 1810

Anne WILLIAMS, parents William & Ann, nee THOMAS, Spinster

daughter born February 2

[Neale1961]

Just had a very quick look and by using the above system - and not putting in where they were christened, there is another child of Elizabeth and Charles at English Bicknor

Elizabeth COLE, 15 July 1866

parents: Charles  (occupation labourer)  & Elizabeth
residence: The Hopyard

This is the wrong family; not the same parents that Ashnz is looking at.

[Ashnz]

Thank you everybody. John Cole unfortunately died on Dec 9th, 1863 on arrival with his family to New Zealand. While there are no officials records, I am positive he was buried at Camp Bay Cemetery in NZ. The family had travelled on the ship the Brother's Pride to Lyttelton.