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[wivenhoe]

Is this your John GALLAGHER?

Ancestry family tree    (GALLAGHER Family Tree Sarah Costello)
has an image of the death certificate, John GALLAGHER, died 2 May 1974 Royal Glasgow Infirmary.

GALLAGHER John...clerk (retired)...widower...born 13 Mar 1887   89 years.
Usual residence:    13 Parnie Street Glasgow
Spouse:                Catherine KELLY
Parents:                Denis GALLAGHER...labourer...deceased
                            Margaret GALLAGHER.....ms. DEVLIN
Cause of death:     Severe broncho pneumonia
                            Old Myocardial infarction
Informant:             D GALLAGHER (son)    19 Birness Drive Glasgow
Registered: 3 May 1974


Is this your John GALLAGHER?

GRO births
GALLAGHER, John       mms.       DEVLIN 
1886  MarQ  South Shields  Vol 10A page 730




             

[wivenhoe]

Questions on the census, Scotland, 1911 -
https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/research/guides/census-records/1911-census#Questions

..place of birth...

[Tankflyboss]

I see there is also a project to recreate Irelands census records called beyond 22. Hopefully they will have the 1891 and 1881 censuses.

https://beyond2022.ie/

The censuses for 1881 and 1891 were pulped during the First World War, probably because of the paper shortage.

See: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/help/history.html

I think they have copies of those destroyed censuses. That's how I read it from their website anyway! Let's hope.

[Tankflyboss]

Is this your John GALLAGHER?

Ancestry family tree    (GALLAGHER Family Tree Sarah Costello)
has an image of the death certificate, John GALLAGHER, died 2 May 1974 Royal Glasgow Infirmary.

GALLAGHER John...clerk (retired)...widower...born 13 Mar 1887   89 years.
Usual residence:    13 Parnie Street Glasgow
Spouse:                Catherine KELLY
Parents:                Denis GALLAGHER...labourer...deceased
                            Margaret GALLAGHER.....ms. DEVLIN
Cause of death:     Severe broncho pneumonia
                            Old Myocardial infarction
Informant:             D GALLAGHER (son)    19 Birness Drive Glasgow
Registered: 3 May 1974


Is this your John GALLAGHER?

GRO births
GALLAGHER, John       mms.       DEVLIN 
1886  MarQ  South Shields  Vol 10A page 730




           

First one is yeah, that's my family tree on Ancestry. Where did you get the second record?

[aghadowey]

I think they have copies of those destroyed censuses. That's how I read it from their website anyway! Let's hope.

The 1881 and 1891 census returns for individual households do not exist. What does survive are the statistics like population figures which were extracted before the original pages were destroyed.

[brigidmac]

The technique for using your DNA results to help is to find matches who have common ancestors and build trees down from them
You have to look out specifically for women of childbearing age who could have been the mother . Good luck.

[MonicaL]

I have been looking at this family in Glasgow for 1901 who are lodging at the household of a David Darroch. They all show as born in Ireland except youngest, Frederick, who was born in Glasgow:

Margaret Gallacher 48 widow Tailors Remnant Sorter b. Tyrone
John Gallacher 14 Corporation Trace Boy
Susan Gallacher 10 b. Donegal
Paul Gallacher 7 b. Tyrone
Fredk Gallacher 3 b. Glasgow

Address: 57 Breadalbane St, Glasgow/Kelvin

I can trace this family back to Ireland and son John was born on 1 March 1887 (I know you have a date of 13 March 1887) https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1887/02568/1949586.pdf

The sticking point is that husband/father was called Patrick not Denis. Patrick looks to have died between 1897-1901. I think he may have died in 1898 and was buried at Dalbeth.

A lots fits overall. It just the issue on Patrick/Denis that makes me more hesitant.

Haven't found the death of Margaret Devlin/Gallacher so far. There is one in 1905 but different husband's name (John) and father's name doesn't match details on her 1871 marriage https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1871/11332/8159254.pdf

Just making a note of this to see whether you or any other researchers had looked at this family?

Monica

[heywood]

I looked at that family too, Monica.
The one you have there isn’t the one though. Here they are in 1901. Gallagher is a very popular name in Achill.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Mayo/Achill/Salia/1601982/

I did, however, find a Susan Gallagher in Donegal. I was deterred because father is Patrick and I couldn’t find John or Paul nor the marriage. However, Susan’s birth fits perhaps with the marriage.

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1890/02430/1905005.pdf

[Neale1961]

I have been looking at this family in Glasgow for 1901

Margaret Gallacher 48 widow Tailors Remnant Sorter b. Tyrone
John Gallacher 14 Corporation Trace Boy
Susan Gallacher 10 b. Donegal
Paul Gallacher 7 b. Tyrone
Fredk Gallacher 3 b. Glasgow
Address: 57 Breadalbane St, Glasgow/Kelvin

That family from the 1901 census still seems to be around in 1911
In the 1911 census in Anderston 644/11 51/ 14
-   Margaret GALLAGHER    57
-   Hugh Paul GALLAGHER    17
-   Frederick GALLAGHER     13

This is the birth record of the son named Hugh Paul Gallagher (just Paul in 1901). Again father is Patrick, mother Margaret Devlin
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1893/02293/1860373.pdf
Hugh Paul died in 1931 Hillhead.

There is a birth registration for the son Frederick in 1897.