Annie Robert's Rhoscolyn Help!!!

[Gavinmalone83]

Hi,
I am trying to find anything on Annie Roberts and her father Robert Roberts of Rhoscolyn (I think)
Information I have so far:
Annie roberts was born in 1907.
She married in 1930 to a Thomas Owen(1905-1970) in holyhead.
Her father Robert Roberts is named on the Cert as a Slate Quarry man, also marked as Deceased). They were living in Ty Weryl, Rhoscolyn.
Thomas was down as living in Treaddur view, Treaddur bay, father William Owen.
The next I can find on Annie is her death cert in 1946. She is then also living in Treaddur view, Treaddur Bay.

Robert Roberts doesn't seem to come up on any records and there's no Annie roberts in the area on any records until 1911. That Annie is a granddaughter living in Llanfihangel Tre'r-beirdd. Robert isn't on that record. - so im not even sure this is her.

We have the correct year of birth from the 2 certs we do have on her.

Just strange how we can't find anything on either her or her dad before the 1930 marriage.

Any help would be most welcomed for these two hide and seek champions.

[dragonT]

Hi and welcome to RootsChat,
Have you found Thomas and Annie Owen and family in the 1939 register?

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Is this the family you are interested in?

[Gavinmalone83]

Hi DragonT,

That is them 😁 thank you so much.
Still a little confused with why there is no sign of her birth records or her father. She's 23 before we see anything of her on record.

[Milliepede]

Where have you looked for her birth record?

Have you looked for them both on the 1911 census when Annie is a child?

Who were the witnesses to the marriage please?  That might give a clue.

[Gavinmalone83]

Where have you looked for her birth record?

Have you looked for them both on the 1911 census when Annie is a child?

Who were the witnesses to the marriage please?  That might give a clue.

Hi, I have exhausted everything on Ancestry co.uk and can't seem to find either of them anywhere.
On the marraige cert is has his name on it "Robert Roberts (deceased)". The family know he had passed by the time she was married in 1930. But that is literally all they know.
He is also down as havinv lived in Ty Weryl, Rhoscolyn as last address (according to the marriage cert.
The witnesses ain't as straight forward either. You have a 'William O Jones' and a name I cant make out. The surname is Roberts. Looks like Eirwen of something. I've tried so many different names and locations with the witnesses. But yet again, nothing.
Annie was later found on death cert to have died in Treaddur Bay in 1946.
We really are at a loss end with both Robert and Annie.
Have also searched the 1921 census and paid for some documents. None match up though still.

[dragonT]

Sorry, I should not have quoted from the 1939 register.

The birth registrations for Thomas Owen and two of his children are in the Anglesey birth index, showing that they were born on Anglesey. The details are:
Thomas son of William Owen & Kate Owen, 13-Jan 1905, Holyhead
Elizabeth dau. of Thomas Owen & Annie Roberts, 10-Feb 1930, Rhoscolyn
Ronald son of Thomas Owen & Annie Roberts, 2-Sep 1936, Llanfachraeth

It seems that Carol Owen and Annie Roberts were not born on Anglesey, I cannot find their birth registrations in the Anglesey birth index.
FreeBMD has a birth for Carol Owen, mmn Roberts, J,F,M qtr 1935, Heywood 8c 618.

On the marraige cert is has his name on it "Robert Roberts (deceased)". The family know he had passed by the time she was married in 1930. But that is literally all they know.
He is also down as having lived in Ty Weryl, Rhoscolyn as last address (according to the marriage cert.
The witnesses ain't as straight forward either. You have a 'William O Jones' and a name I cant make out. The surname is Roberts. Looks like Eirwen of something. 

I think the marriage certificate will only show Ty Weryl, Rhoscolyn as Annie's address on marriage, not her father's last address?

I think I have found a possibility for Annie in the 1911 census but I probably shouldn't post details.
If I'm correct her father's name is sometimes recorded as Robert Jeffery Roberts, he is a quarryman in Caernarvonshire and Annie has a younger sister Mair.

PM me if you cannot find the record.

FreeBMD has a birth for Annie Roberts, mmn Jones, O,N,D qtr 1907 Carnarvon 11b, 389 and a marriage for Robert Jeffrey Roberts and Maggie Jones, J,F,M 1907 Carnarvon 11b, 499.

[Gavinmalone83]

Hi DragonT,

Thank you so much. I have PM'd you now

[Tall Al]

Hi,

I realise it's a bit hit and miss but following the possibility that Annie's father was Robert Jeffrey Roberts - there is a family that might fit in Llanrug, Caernarvonshire.

His parents could be Jeffrey Roberts and Ann and they are in Llanrug on the 1881/1891/1901 census. There are 3 sons William J; Robert J and Jeffrey all slate quarrymen.

It may be worth investigating.

Alan

[Gavinmalone83]

Hi Tall Al,  I've since looked into this family, and seen that Annie in this family dies before the date we have on her Death Cert 1946. So back to square one with this one 

Thank you for your help