Maguires Helmsley/Ampleforth/Pickering/Scarborough

[Ecoh]

Looking for Thomas Maguire born 1834 Bilsdale
1881 in Helmsley - sieve maker - Cow House Bank
Married two Catherines -
Catherine Raftree  Marriage: 21 Jul 1861 in St Peter, RC, Scarborough
Children: William Maguire, Jane Maguire, Mary Maguire, Margaret Maguire
Catharine Duffy Marriage: Abt May 1878 in Helmsley, Yorkshire
Children: Ishmail Maguire, Ellen Maguire, Thomas Maguire, John Maguire, Catherine Maguire

Did they come from Ireland?  Any knowledge of their whereabouts before 1871, possibly some connections to Ampleforth Abbey and employment there

Thanks

[heywood]

Welcome to Rootschat   

This looks good for 1861 - transcribed on one site as Macguire

3604 /68/18
Burlington Street, Hornsea

Thomas Macquire   26 yrs Corn Ripple maker b Selby
Catharine Macquire 22 yrs b Cliffe

They are boarding with Jonathan and Mary Dunn

[heywood]

Do you have a father’s name from the marriage certificates?

[Ecoh]

Many thanks

Have sent off for marriage record.  The Dunns have appeared elsewhere in my searches

[heywood]

That’s good. Presumably the right couple then.

[Ecoh]

I now have the marriage certificate for Thomas Maguire and Catherine Duffy.  I had obviously been down a rabbit hole!

Thomas married at St Lawrence Catholic Church Ampleforth on 29th April 1878.  He was a Bachelor, age 50 and a labourer from Gilling, his father was called Phillip Maguire also a Labourer

He married Catherine Duffy age 48 who was a widow living in Helmsley and the daughter of William Maguire a labourer

My original thoughts was that a Thomas Maguire born about 1834 who married Catherine Raftree (or Rafferty) on 21 July 1861 at Scarborough St Peter RC Their witnesses were John Broghan and Brigit O'Neil

My premise was that he had then remarried

I seem to have got two different families and I am interested in the ones that ended up in Scarborough Maguire and Raftree

Can anyone shed any light please?

Many thanks

[heywood]

Looking for Thomas Maguire born 1834 Bilsdale
1881 in Helmsley - sieve maker - Cow House Bank
Married two Catherines -
Catherine Raftree  Marriage: 21 Jul 1861 in St Peter, RC, Scarborough
Children: William Maguire, Jane Maguire, Mary Maguire, Margaret Maguire
Catharine Duffy Marriage: Abt May 1878 in Helmsley, Yorkshire
Children: Ishmail Maguire, Ellen Maguire, Thomas Maguire, John Maguire, Catherine Maguire

Did they come from Ireland?  Any knowledge of their whereabouts before 1871, possibly some connections to Ampleforth Abbey and employment there

Thanks

Is this the family you are interested in? Do you still think the children are from two different mothers?
I am unsure with the latest post about the certificate who you are following. Sorry.

[Ecoh]

Yes this is still the family

In my post there were two Catherines - Raftree (or Rafferty) and Dunn both married to a Thomas Maguire

The marriage certificate I obtained is from the Duffy marriage and because he was a bachelor and she a widow aged 48, I doubt that the children I have found on various census documents are from Catherine Dunn or even this Thomas Maguire

However in the 1881 census when they are definitely at Cow House Bank, Helmsley, there are 2 children and it says they are son and daughter of Thomas Maguire, as though they were from a different family

[heywood]

I saw that but wondered if they were noted as such because they were over the page.

So Catherine Maguire/Duffy/Maguire is not yours. Have you found that Thomas and Catherine in censuses?

Also now might all the children be from one marriage?