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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #9 on: Monday 14 February 22 09:05 GMT (UK) »
Death of Samuel Lemon - informant Jane of Tullyard
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05926/4682784.pdf

I can’t see a marriage to find the connection.

Possibly married before 1845?
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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #10 on: Monday 14 February 22 09:14 GMT (UK) »
Yes that’s the only thing I could think of. Jane was 75 in 1901 so it is possible that they married pre 1845.
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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #11 on: Monday 14 February 22 11:15 GMT (UK) »
Not sure if this has been posted yet but Elizabeth (Dornan) Patterson Marshall died shortly after giving birth to son William Henry Marshall-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1878/020514/7198891.pdf
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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #12 on: Monday 14 February 22 11:55 GMT (UK) »
Interesting snippet re the 1880 marriage to McLean-
Belfast Weekly News, 6 Nov.1880: ... William David, son of the late _ M'Lean, Hill_l, to Jane, eldest daughter of the late Samuel Warnock Patterson, and ...
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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #13 on: Monday 14 February 22 14:16 GMT (UK) »
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Samuel and Elizabeths children that I know of: Elizabeth (Born 1871), Jane Lemon Patterson (Born 1862), Sarah (Born 1873), Samuel Warnock Patterson (Born 1874) married Margaret Elizabeth Patterson from Leverogue, Drumbo.

Some things incorrect or incomplete that you've posted at start of this thread.

There were at least 2 daughters named Sarah (neither born 1873). Sarah born 1867 probably died young-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03501/2286897.pdf
Another Sarah born 1871-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1869/03412/2251529.pdf

A son William born 1865-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03576/2318066.pdf
Two possible marriages for him-
William Patterson (c1871) m.(1894 St. Anne’s COI, Belfast) Mary Fleetwood
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1894/10576/5852865.pdf (groom- 63 Lindsay St., father- Warnock Patterson publican, witnesses- James Stewart, Elizabeth Stewart)
William Patterson (1865) m.(1898 St. Anne’s COI, Belfast) Theresa McAravey
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1898/10423/5795081.pdf (groom- 46 Claremount St., father- Warnock Patterson labourer)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Pottinger/Beersbridge/1216017/ (Teresa)
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Down/Victoria__part_of_/Foundry_Street/225140/

A son James, likely born before 1864, went to Scotland-
James Patterson (c1865?) m.(1885 Scotland)
https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Patterson-10150
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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #14 on: Monday 14 February 22 15:23 GMT (UK) »
I don't have a lot of time to read through all the replies properly now but thanks everyone for the information so far. Is there a way to access Drumbo Presbyterian Church and Church of Ireland baptism and marriage records? I think that would help me in finding out more about these Pattersons and other relations from that area if I had access to those records.

Heywood, I read the first post of the Census extract and I hadn't seen that before, but the name Maxwell as Josephs mothers name, looks like there is a connection as checking my DNA results on Ancestry, I got a match to a man with the surname Maxwell and another who has an Elizabeth Maxwell from Drumbo and a John Dorman born 1813 as their direct ancestors.

I was told by my granny that my 2nd great grandmother, Margaret Elizabeth Patterson, wife of Samuel Warnock Patterson, when they lived in Tullyard, Drumbeg, she helped a nearby neighbour who was very ill and had tuberculosis. She then she caught it of him and died from it. Perhaps there is a connection to that Dorman and my Patterson family.

Death record of Margaret Patterson: https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1909/05464/4529236.pdf

I think the person she was helping was that Robert John Dorman mentioned on that record sheet who died with Phthisis as those Dormans lived in Tullyard also. Dormans on a 1901 Irish Census: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Down/Ballymacbrennan/Tullyard/1239385/

aghadowey, thanks for the record of Elizabeth's death after giving birth to William Henry Marshall. I also didn't know about the first Sarah Patterson birth but I looked again at the documents  I was given on the Patterson research and it made a mention of  James  Patterson but no information so the James Patterson you found who went to Scotland, looks like him.

I found this: https://alison-stewart.blogspot.com/2011/07/reid-wilson-and-agnes-leveletlavalade.html it says
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In his brother Reid Wilson's will of 1890, Reid only mentions Joseph's son, John Wilson.  John Wilson had been born somewhere in England in about 1868 - this according to the census returns of 1901 and 1911.
On 30th January 1892 in Great Victoria Street Church in Belfast, John Wilson of Moira, Co. Down, son of commercial traveller Joseph Wilson, married Jane Patterson of Belfast, the daughter of publican Samuel W. Patterson. This wedding was witnessed by Thomas Agnew and Elizabeth Bertha Hogg.
Jane Patterson was the daughter of Samuel Warnock Patterson, son of James Patterson,  and of Elizabeth Dornan, daughter of William Dornan, who had married in Belfast on 4th October 1861. Samuel Warnock Patterson was a publican at 71 May Street in Belfast, but he died young on 31st May 1874.  His wife, Elizabeth , was pregnant when he died, and a son, Samuel Warnock Patterson, was born a few months later on 18th October 1874 at 71 May Street.  As well as Samuel Warnock and Jane Lemon, Samuel Warnock Patterson and Elizabeth Dornan also had a daughter, Sarah Patterson, who was living with her sister Jane Lemon Wilson, in 1911 at 40 Beechfield Street.

John Wilson and Jane Lemon Patterson had a daughter, Edith Jane Wilson, at 88 Bryson Street on 24th May 1895.

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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #15 on: Monday 14 February 22 16:10 GMT (UK) »
Death of Samuel Lemon - informant Jane of Tullyard
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1895/05926/4682784.pdf

I can’t see a marriage to find the connection.

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Here we are - Samuel’s will - she was Jane Dornan
https://apps.proni.gov.uk/willscalendar_ie/WillsSearchImage.aspx?id=213888

There is a published tree with a newspaper snippet:
When your Jane Lemon Patterson married Mr McLean, she was described as daughter of the late Samuel Warnock Patterson and niece to Samuel Lemon, Tullyard. Important relationship?
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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #16 on: Monday 14 February 22 18:05 GMT (UK) »
There is a published tree with a newspaper snippet:
When your Jane Lemon Patterson married Mr McLean, she was described as daughter of the late Samuel Warnock Patterson and niece to Samuel Lemon, Tullyard. Important relationship?
That's probably the snippet I posted earlier (reply #12).

The Patterson children were all minors when their father Samuel Warnock Patterson died in 1874. Their uncle by marriage, Samuel Lemon, might have been the guardian to all or at least some of the children. Since Samuel Warnock & sister Jane Lemon were mentioned in the Will of aunt Jane Lemon they might have lived with the couple in Tullyard (since Jane seems to have been named after her aunt she might have looked after her).
To further complicate things, Elizabeth (Dornan) Patterson remarried a few years later then died the following year leaving the children without either parent.
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Re: Patterson and Dornans from Belfast
« Reply #17 on: Monday 14 February 22 18:11 GMT (UK) »
Oh sorry, aghadowey.
I missed your reference. That seems to be a good explanation.
So the family connection is Dornan rather than Lemon, do you think? Even though Jane had it as her middle name.
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