1851 census "Newcastle"- Newcastle under Lyme or Newcastle Upon Tyne?

[NZfamily]

In an 1851 entry for MARY LILEY age 42, residence: St Michael, Stockwell, Lambeth, Surrey; her place of birth is given as "Newcastle". Husband is THOMAS LILEY, age 42, born Chelsea (Middlesex)
Her maiden name was Jackson (m Thomas Liley in 1831, Southwark St Giles, Camberwell)

Wondering if this is Newcastle Under Lyme
or Newcastle Upon Tyne?

She married Thomas Liley, whose sister had married a potter/tile maker (Ann Liley (b 1811) - Jesse Adams, m 25 Jul 1831 • Kensington St Mary Abbott, Middlesex); they lived in the Potteries, Notting Hill, which makes me think there may be a connection through the pottery industry in Staffordshire.

There appear to be a few candidates for Mary or Mary Ann Jackson in both towns born around that time. The marriage cert only describes her as "spinster"

[softly softly]

Do you have Thomas and Mary on any census after 1851. Their son Thomas married 25th February 1854 and his father is Recorded as Thomas Liley occ Baker, does not record deceased but that does not mean he wasn't.

John

[NZfamily]

Do you have Thomas and Mary on any census after 1851. Their son Thomas married 25th February 1854 and his father is Recorded as Thomas Liley occ Baker, does not record deceased but that does not mean he wasn't.

John

Hi John

thanks for your reply. I cannot find either Thomas or Mary on the 1861 or the 1871 census. I'm told some the 1861 census for London went missing.
You are correct Thomas was a baker / greengrocer by trade.

[Capetown]

? Can see they had a Son called Thomas  (as well as a Husband)

? This is on Freereg



Baptism at Newcastle-under-Lyme, St Giles

Birth date: 23 Jun 1808
Baptism date: 10 July 1808

Mary JACKSON
parents: Thos. & Mary

[AusFamily]

? Can see they had a Son called Thomas  (as well as a Husband)

? This is on Freereg



Baptism at Newcastle-under-Lyme, St Giles

Birth date: 23 Jun 1808
Baptism date: 10 July 1808

Mary JACKSON
parents: Thos. & Mary

Thanks Capetown