Kilkenneth

[tattysmum]

Yes, everything you have written down is correct….

Abel father was named James William…The law family (Which is on my mother’s side) all came from Clavering Essex for generations….

And we know James (1887) was Abel’s son as on marriage certificate… He was 24 in 1911..
James (1886) was William’s son on birth certificate…

The thing that bothers me is that William has a very good, long standing service record, why would he make out he was somebody he might not have been?

But it’s a very big coincidences that both Abel and William both come from Clavering, Both marry a Ellen Donnelly from Kilkenny, and both have a son called James William with virtually the same birth date…

Also I think the “Hilldere” would be Kildere, just like my “Kilkenneth” turned out to be Kilkenny 🤣🤣

[heywood]

Does the military record show where William enlisted?

Throughout the record are there any other places mentioned? You have Clavering and Kilkenny - just wondered if anything else.

[tattysmum]

William first signed up 1879 in the EASTYORK regiment…which was the regular forces..and was asking for discharge from them dated 17th December 1879..to inlist to another regiment..

William  service number…8673
He signed up to Royal Artillary on 14th January 1881 in Aldershot Hampshire..Aged 19 years 0 months…father James ..

14431 was the number on the record of the marriage certificate to Ellen that the regiment had, and the address (looks like N BATTERY..1 BRIFADE ROAD…which was in NEWBRIDGE) witnesses are William (looks like VOCLEY) and Mary (looks like DWYER) and that was dated 1st December 1885…

8th May 1882 he arrived in Kilkenny ….11th May 1883 he was vaccinated…results PERFECT..
20th June 1883 he was diagnosed with (looks like Sypl Pain,  which is under the heading of venereal cases) results BLACK MARK ( looks like LEG HYOR PERCHLOR) he was hospitalised from 27th June 1883- 16th July 1883..he was in hospital 20 days..

16th October 1885 he arrived in Newbridge..

He was a driver in the regiment in the barracks in Newbridge…7th Jan 1881-30th June 1881..1st July 1881-9th June 1881..then on 10th June 1882 he committed a crime…10th-19th June 1882…awaiting trial…20th June- 24th July 1882…imprisoned….25th July 1882-16th Sept 1883 driver..17th Sept 1883-31st May 1884 driver…1st June 1884-24th Nov 1884 driver..25th Nov 1884-6th Jan 1887 driver..7th Jan 1887-28th Feb 1887 driver..1st March 1887-6th Jan 1893 driver but transferred to reserves…and says country…HOME



Hope this makes sense to you…..that all there is

[heywood]

So if he was transferred to home as a reserve would that work out?

[aghadowey]

14431 was the number on the record of the marriage certificate to Ellen that the regiment had, and the address (looks like N BATTERY..1 BRIFADE ROAD…which was in NEWBRIDGE) witnesses are William (looks like VOCLEY) and Mary (looks like DWYER) and that was dated 1st December 1885…

Marriage in civil register dated 17 March 1885-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1885/10861/5965793.pdf
Witnesses Mary Dwyer & what looks like William Vorley.
Could it be that he had married in March without permission from his commanding officer as William Thompson of Royal Artillery then went through another ceremony in December?

[tattysmum]

It stated on the document that he married without leave

[tattysmum]

The marriage was 17th March 1885….the document 14431 that it’s on was dated 1st December 1885

[tattysmum]

When we are talking about William transferring home in 1893…I’m not sure as not finding him anywhere…but if he was Abel, Abel was missing off census from 1871-1891…then showing up on the 1891 census with Ellen and James in Clavering…..but I will now go and see if I can find anything on William

[heywood]

I have misunderstood that.
I thought it might mean - home in 1887 then being a reserve until 1893.
I think a reservist would live a  civilian life at home.

Perhaps you might want to ask on the Armed Forces board.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/armed-forces/