Birth Record of Frederick Jones

[crazydaizy]

This is a tough one.... I want to obtain the Birth Certificate of my late Great Grandfather Frederick Jones.  I have a 1911 Census which suggests he was born around 1880.  In the 1921 Census it says 1877.  Having no idea of his birth parents, I am not sure where to start.... there are so many Frederick Jones in and around West Bromwich where he was born.  Which makes finding the correct 1901 and before Censuses difficult.
I also have a copy of his War record off Ancestry, but that doesn't give any info of Birth parents.
If anyone can help I'd be much appreciated.
Thank you.

[rosie99]

Did he marry your Gt grandmother, if so what information did the certificate give for his father

ADDED Where is he in 1911

[PaulineJ]

Probably been done to death, but here's apointer:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=666869.msg5119979#msg5119979

have you obtained the 1905 marriage certificate in the intervening years?

[crazydaizy]

Did he marry your Gt grandmother, if so what information did the certificate give for his father

ADDED Where is he in 1911

I need to obtain a Marriage Certificate for Frederick Jones and Ann Smith which might help with further information.

In 1911 he was living at 119 Hall End, West Bromwich.

I have found 1901, 1891 and 1881 Censuses of Frederick Jones living in West Bromwich with parents Edwin and Jane.  No doubt I will find this info from Marriage Certificate. 

Thanks for your help.

[crazydaizy]

Probably been done to death, but here's apointer:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=666869.msg5119979#msg5119979

Thank you,  I knew I had posted something similar a few years back, just couldn't find it.  I'll review it and hopefully find some answers.

[crazydaizy]

On Ancestry I've found a possible TWO Birth records for Frederick Jones (with no middle name) 

How do I know which one to order a Birth Certificate from?

Or do I order both of them (which I'd prefer not to do!)

[PaulineJ]

START with the 1905 marriage certicate!
You've waited, what 9 years, another couple of weeks won't matter.

Pauline

[crazydaizy]

START with the 1905 marriage certicate!
You've waited, what 9 years, another couple of weeks won't matter.

Pauline

Phew has it been that long.... ok thanks for your help.

[crazydaizy]

START with the 1905 marriage certicate!
You've waited, what 9 years, another couple of weeks won't matter.

Pauline

I've now got the 1905 Marriage Certificate in front of me.  Frederick Jones aged 25 (Born Abt 1880) and Ann Smith aged 23 (Born Abt 1881)  (My Gt Grandparents)
His Father was George Jones, an Ironworker.
Her Father was William Smith (deceased) a Miner.
The witnesses are Henry Smith and Alice Smith (names which are listed in Censuses below, I’m assuming Henry is the middle name of John H in the 1921 Census?)
I hope you can guide me here, as I think I've found what I'm looking for.....
I have found a 1921 Census of Frederick and Ann (my Great Grandparents) with children William, Joseph, Frederick, George, John H, Elsie and Elizabeth.  Living 31 New St Hill Top.
1911 Census of Fred and Ann with children William, Joseph, Fred, George and (I think sister or sister-in-law and her children) Lizzie wright, Tomas wright and Arthur Wright. Living at 119 Hall End, West Bromwich.
1901 Census of George and Jane (the George on the Marriage Cert, being my Gt Gt Grandfather) with children Alice, Ellen, George and William (I need to find out where Frederick is at this time? I think “boarding” elsewhere) living West Bromwich.
An 1891 Census of Frederick Jones living with parents George and Jane Jones. in West Bromwich Staffordshire.  On the Census is listed a daughter called Alice Jones (the same Alice who witnessed the Marriage Cert, with a different surname?) Frederick (my Gt Grandfather) Harriet and Ellen.
George's occupation in the Censuses is a "Puddler" which is similar to "Ironworker" on the Marr Cert (?)
I’m struggling to find an 1881 Census, so my research continues with this.
I’ve found an 1871 Census of George as a “Lodger.” 
1861 Census of George aged 9 with Father William Jones (listed as a Lodger)
1851 Census with William (my Gt Gt Gt Grandfather) again listed as a Lodger. 
The confusing part about these two Censuses (where I need to look into further) is that the birthplace is listed as Hertfordshire on one and Herefordshire on the other.
Thanks for everyone’s help.