WILLIAM STOLLARD St George Middlesex Waterman and Lighterman 1800s

[Lesley1002]

This man may, or may not be my great great grandfather.

[louisa maud]

Welcome to Rootschat,
Have  you any other  information  about this man?

Louisa  Maud

[louisa maud]

IS THIS HIM

1861 Census ref RG9/283 FOLIO 73 PAGE 44 Stepney

William Stollard aged 65 Waterman
Sarah 54
Drusilla 13
Charlotte 11
All born Wapping, both Drusilla and Charlotte has mother's maiden name as Wilson

Possible marriage

07/09/1846 Parish Church, Christ Church
Wiliam Stollard widower Lighterman father William Silk Dyer
to
Sarah Wilson father Samuel Weaver
witnesses Richard Prickett Matthews and Sophia Petley Matthews

Please come back to confirm my findings please

Louisa Maud

[goldie61]

This man may, or may not be my great great grandfather.

Welcome to Rootschat!
What is it you want to know?
What have you found out already?
If you're not sure this is him, it's a wild goose chase to spend time finding out about him.
You need to go back to the part you ARE sure of, and perhaps somebody can help you from there.

[louisa maud]

There  is  more  info but as goldie  says  if the  info I have  given  you is wrong I  have wasted  my  time, so  please come back

Louisa Maud

[Lesley1002]

Thank you all very much for your replies.  This was my first Rootschat post and I was a little unsure how much information i should include.
I am trying to trace my Stollard ancestors.  I took this search over from a family member now deceased, so I have some information.  My oldest record is of a Henry Richard Stollard christened 8 Feb 1824 in St Peter's Cornhill. He married a Catherine Mullett 1846.
I have an old letter from the Guildhall Library about Watermen &Lightermen, and it lists a Henry Richard Stollard apprenticed to William Stollard of St. George Middlesex 9 March 1837 becoming free 14 March 1844. I am hoping that William Stollard was his father.

[goldie61]

So you have to work back from the pieces of evidence you have.

What are the parents names given on Henry Richard's marriage certificate?

Who are the parents given as on the Henry Richard Stollard's baptism you have found in 1824?
Where did you find this baptism?
I cannot find a baptism of a Henry Richard Stollard 8th Feb 1824 at St Peters Cornhill.
There is a baptism of a Henry Richard Stollard (transcribed as Stallard), at St George in the East, 1st June 1823,  born 9th Feb 1823, (only a mile or so distant to St Peters Cornhill), father William. mother Jane. William is a lighterman.

 Have you found them on the 1841 Census? Are these the same people louis maud found in the 1861 Census?
William and Jane live Old Gravel Lane, St George in the East in the 1841 Census. He is 48 and a lighterman.
Their son Henry is aged 19 and a Waterman. There is an abbreviation after his name - possible Ap for apprentice, which would fit with the information about his apprenticeship you have. Henry Richard gives his place of birth as St George in the East, so this is the birth of the Henry Richard in 1823.

It seems a bit of a stretch to think there would be two Henry Richard Stollards with father William lightermen/watermen at exactly the same time at the same place, but not impossible.
I can't see where you got this baptism record in 1824 from.

There is an interesting item in the London Gazette in 1885 on the death of Henry Richard Stollard.
By now he is a 'Steam Tug Proprietor and Lighterman'. It's viewable on findmypast.

[goldie61]

By the way, as to how much information to put on a post here on Rootschat, the answer is always as much as possible!
This saves anybody trying to help you going over ground you have already covered, and also gives them a basis on which to research further.

What company does your information about Henry Richard's apprenticeship say he was apprenticed into?
Apprenticeships were not always with the company in which they worked.
I have lightermen who had apprenticeships with The Drapers' Company, and also a silk dyer who had an apprenticeship with The Drapers' Company and not the Dyers Company.
There is a good website called londonroll, https://www.londonroll.org, which has information about thousands of apprenticeships. I couldn't find your Stollards. They may have been in one of the companies not covered by this site.

Do you know the distinction between watermen and lightermen?
'Watermen' carried passengers, and 'lightermen' carried goods.

[Bookbox]

The apprenticeship bindings of the Thames Watermen and Lightermen have been indexed and transcribed online (from 1688, on FindMyPast).

They show that Henry Richard Stollard was bound apprentice to William Stollard on 9 March 1837 in the Company of Watermen and Lightermen and freed on 14 March 1844, in accordance with the record that you hold.

William Stollard worked out of Shadwell. Shadwell is adjacent to St George in the East.

In the Company of Watermen it was very common for sons to be apprenticed to their father or uncle. The trade was often passed down through many generations of the same family.

Further records of the Company (up to about 1890) are held at Guildhall Library, London.