Hi Danni,
You mentioned on the other Turnbull thread that William Oliver and Elizabeth Turnbull had the following children:
John Oliver 1834 Cavers
Agnes Oliver 1836 Cavers
Robert Oliver 1841
Jane Oliver 1843
Andrew Oliver 1845
Ebenezer Oliver 1847
William Oliver 1849
Ann Cameron Oliver 1851
Archibald Oliver 1853
Thomas Oliver 1856
The Scots, for the most part, had a naming pattern which can be seen in many families. The pattern generally went as follows:
The first son was named for his father's father.
The second son was named for his mother's father.
The third son was named for his father's father's father.
The fourth son was named for his mother's mother's father.
The fifth son was named for his father's mother's father.
The sixth son was named for his mother's father's father.
The seventh through tenth sons were named for their father's four great-grandfathers.
The eleventh through fourteenth sons were named for their mother's four great-grandfathers.
The first daughter was named for her mother's mother.
The second daughter was named for her father's mother.
The third daughter was named for her mother's father's mother.
The fourth daughter was named for her father's father's mother.
The fifth daughter was named for her mother's mother's mother.
The sixth daughter was named for her father's mother's mother.
The seventh through tenth daughters were named for their mother's four great-grandmothers.
The eleventh through fourteenth daughters were named for their father's four great-grandmothers.Scottish naming conventions may come in handy here when trying to identify William and Elizabeth’s family.
Based solely on this I would suggest that William’s parents would be
John and
Jane and Elizabeth’s
Robert and
Agnes.
Looking at Scotland’s people there is a birth of a William Oliver that would fit with this
OLIVER WILLIAM JOHN OLIVER/JANE FAIRLY FR611 SON 4 CHILD 8 (FR611)
M 30/01/1814. 789/20 315 HawickHowever, looking at the other children of John and Jane Fairly -
James 1802
George 1803
John 1805
Jane 1807
Christian 1809
Margaret 1810
William 1814
James 1814
Thomas Fairley 1816
There are no James's or George's in your tree so this is probably not the right entry for your William.
Looking at your suggestion of John Oliver and Isabel Ramsay
They have:
John 1811
William 1812
William 1815
Alexander 1817
George 1819
As there are two Williams so it seems likely that the 1812 William died in infancy or they were following a naming convention very strictly. And again Alexander and George do not appear in the naming of the children.
There is a John Oliver who marries a Jeany Buckham in 1806 who might be worth investigating.
OLIVER, JOHN JEANY, BUCKHAM/FR149 (FR149) 27/06/1806 806/10 141 Southdean and AbbotruleAlso:
OLIVER, JOHN JANET, DODDS/FR762 (FR762) 29/07/1804 786/10 197 CrailingI would also investigate the name Ebenezer and see if this will help you. It’s not as common and may provide a breakthrough. As Ebenezer is the fourth son he would be named for the mother’s mothers father.
In particular look at:
TURNBULL, EBENEZER ROBERT TURNBULL/AGNES OLIVER FR398 (FR398) M 25/02/1821 785/ 30 46 CaversI would strongly suggest this Ebenezer is the brother of your Elizabeth. Especially given the Cavers connection.
There are another two recorded Ebenezer Turnbulls born in Roxburgh around this time:
TURNBULL, EBENEZER JOHN TURNBULL/MARGARET CUMMING FR2101 (FR2101) M 02/01/1825 792/ 70 125 Jedburgh
TURNBULL, EBENEZER ALEXAN ALEXANDER TURNBULL/ M 05/08/1831 790/20 19 Hobkirk
Robert, John and Alexander are likely connected, possibly brothers, so I would build a tree looking at them too.
Census entries for Ebenezer’s.
https://www.scottishindexes.com/41transcript.aspx?houseid=79004003https://www.scottishindexes.com/51transcript.aspx?houseid=78501007https://www.scottishindexes.com/61transcript.aspx?houseid=78501048Then I would look at Archibald, which again is less common and may prove easier to piece together.
As Archibald is the 6th son in theory he would be named for the mother’s father’s father and there is an Archibald Turnbull who marries an Ann Rutherford in 1760 announced in Wilton and Bedrule.
TURNBULL ARCHBALD ANN RUTHERFORD/FR338 (FR338) 17/02/1760 810/ 20 153 Wilton
That entry is worth looking at.
I’m attaching a tree based only on the above naming convention. Be careful though, there is a notable gap between the births of William and Elizabeth’s children but that could possibly be explained by the emigration. Also, the above naming convention was not always adhered to and there are several variations to it. Be careful not to follow this too closely, it is meant only as a guide to further your research and try not to make the mistake of making the records fit to what you want (which I've possibly done with Archibald and Ann - just thought I would flag the entry). And on that point of this just being a guide, if Robert, John and Alexander Turnbull are brothers, then the Ebenezer name must come from the Turnbull paternal line and not as the naming convention tree shows.
I hope this helps and good luck with your search.