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Re: Ascertaining which of several WW1 men with the same name is correct.
« Reply #18 on: Friday 08 April 22 23:48 BST (UK) »
He is on the London ER at expected address, with his wife, for 1915, 1918 and 1920.

They are at 34 Stokenchurch Street, Fulham, in 1918. Frederick George Turney is not an absent voter, so he wasn't in the forces then.
Though that doesn't mean that he hadn't been serving at some time during the war, but he wasn't at the end of it.
He is not in the silver war badge lists.
If he had been in the army, but didn't serve abroad, then he would not be entitled to any medals.

That 1919 birth in March quarter was in Norfolk, and the 1921 census index says son Edward, 2, was born in East Dereham, Norfolk (as was wife Alice)
Frederick still seems to be a chauffeur in 1921? He comes up with it spelt chaffeur!

Thank you, yes the info you have found about post-war in Fulham and then Norfolk is correct.

It may be that he didn’t serve, I know, but I’d like to try and get closer to the truth if possible.
Are you able to rule out any of my three possibilities of WW1 men with your knowledge please?

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Re: Ascertaining which of several WW1 men with the same name is correct.
« Reply #19 on: Saturday 09 April 22 20:46 BST (UK) »
# 49698 - Private Frederick TURNEY. Royal Fusiliers.
Victory medal: TP/104B14 p1683.

Hi
That chap seems to have been killed in action 8 Nov 1918.
On Soldiers Died he is Frederick William Turney
Pension records Frederick Wm Turney
7th Royal Fusiliers (London Regiment)

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Re: Ascertaining which of several WW1 men with the same name is correct.
« Reply #20 on: Saturday 09 April 22 21:00 BST (UK) »
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# 9335  - Frederick TURNEY of the Royal Field Artillery (RFA). On record set Britain, Campaign/Gallantry + long service (FindMyPast) it states 1940-20. Rank: driver. Bombardier.
Victory medal ref RFA: 119B/p3740.
British star ref: RFA/1 p1029
Can anyone help me to know whether this man - a driver with the RFA is separate to the gunner with the RFA shown above is my discounted?

Medal index card
Turney, Frederick
Royal Field Artillery 9335 Driver
Royal Field Artillery 9335 Bombardier
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D5653359

So, yes, it's the same man, but I'm afraid I don't know when he was discharged. Or who he was!

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Re: Ascertaining which of several WW1 men with the same name is correct.
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 09 April 22 23:41 BST (UK) »
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# 9335  - Frederick TURNEY of the Royal Field Artillery (RFA). On record set Britain, Campaign/Gallantry + long service (FindMyPast) it states 1940-20. Rank: driver. Bombardier.
Victory medal ref RFA: 119B/p3740.
British star ref: RFA/1 p1029
Can anyone help me to know whether this man - a driver with the RFA is separate to the gunner with the RFA shown above is my discounted?

Medal index card
Turney, Frederick
Royal Field Artillery 9335 Driver
Royal Field Artillery 9335 Bombardier
https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D5653359

So, yes, it's the same man, but I'm afraid I don't know when he was discharged. Or who he was!

Thank you, so the record shows that the gunner and the driver are the same man?


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Re: Ascertaining which of several WW1 men with the same name is correct.
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 10 April 22 08:22 BST (UK) »
Hi
Driver/Bombardier same man.
Gunner is a different man.
John

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Re: Ascertaining which of several WW1 men with the same name is correct.
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 10 April 22 09:12 BST (UK) »
There is a baptism of daughter Doris Kathleen at Christ Church Fulham, 20 Dec 1914.
Doris was born 13 October 1914.
Frederick George is a Chauffeur.
Abode is 34 Stokenchurch Street.

On the same page two other dads are given as soldiers.

Don't have an exact date of birth for Edward Frederick, other than being early in 1919 (death reg in Norfolk in 2016)

In 1921 is Frederick's employer Tillings Co.? (from playing around with the free search boxes)

Death
Dec 1925 Kensington 1a 148
Turney, Frederick George
age 42

So he died young. Do you know the cause of death?

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Re: Ascertaining which of several WW1 men with the same name is correct.
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 10 April 22 09:14 BST (UK) »
Hi
Driver/Bombardier same man.
Gunner is a different man.
John

Thank you. So the driver / bombardier is still a possibility

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Re: Ascertaining which of several WW1 men with the same name is correct.
« Reply #25 on: Sunday 10 April 22 09:15 BST (UK) »
There is a baptism of daughter Doris Kathleen at Christ Church Fulham, 20 Dec 1914.
Doris was born 13 October 1914.
Frederick George is a Chauffeur.
Abode is 34 Stokenchurch Street.

On the same page two other dads are given as soldiers.

Don't have an exact date of birth for Edward Frederick, other than being early in 1919 (death reg in Norfolk in 2016)

In 1921 is Frederick's employer Tillings Co.? (from playing around with the free search boxes)

Death
Dec 1925 Kensington 1a 148
Turney, Frederick George
age 42

So he died young. Do you know the cause of death?

Thank you Jon. Yes, I have previously discovered all the above. I am waiting for the death certificate to arrive from GRO.

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Re: Ascertaining which of several WW1 men with the same name is correct.
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 10 April 22 09:35 BST (UK) »
Hi
I guess the driver/bombardier is a possibility.
He was serving in France by the end of April 1915.
So you need a military expert to see if anything might be gleaned about when that chap might have joined up.

I am thinking a driver in RFA would be horses, as per ASC.
As Hillhurst said, the most likely place to find a motor driver such as a chauffeur would be ASC. Presuming that Frederick was indeed a motor driver!
They were not classified as "drivers" in ASC though (driver was horse transport)
i.e. my grandfather was a motor lorry driver, volunteered for ASC in Oct 1914, and was out in France within a few weeks. I think they got paid more as well.