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Who was Bartle kernan (Kearns)
« on: Thursday 14 April 22 05:43 BST (UK) »
Bartholomew kernan was my 2nd Great Grandfather. He was born from 1838 to 1840 in kildare or meath. The first record of him I know of is his Marriage Record. He married Ellen Kelly in 1860. Ellen  and Bartle had lots of children until her death in 1880. Bartle married a second time to a woman named Margaret Tierney and has 3 more children. Bartle changed his last name to Kearns. He died in Robertstown, Country Kildare, Ireland in 1917. His father was Peter Kiernan. Can someone find more information on Bartle Kernan and His Father? Can someone even find his mother?

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Lucas
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Re: Who was Bartle kernan (Kearns)
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 14 April 22 06:12 BST (UK) »

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Re: Who was Bartle kernan (Kearns)
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 14 April 22 06:21 BST (UK) »
Curious about the surnames:

Did Bartolemew Kernan change his name to Kearns, or was Kearns written on a document or in an index in error or as a variant of Kernan. How many and what records have you found him as “Kearns”.

Bartholomew's father had a different surname? Or might Kiernan be a variation of Kernan? If a different surname that implies he was illegitimate and Bart’s mother’s surname was Kernan.

I’m erring towards it being the same surname.

Were the family Catholic?

I gave a few links on your other thread. You might be able to find his or siblings baptisms there.


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Re: Who was Bartle kernan (Kearns)
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 14 April 22 07:20 BST (UK) »
Based on your information
Marriage
Dunboyne 2nd May 1827
Peter Kernan and Jane Neil
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635064#page/45/mode/1up

Several children including
Bartle Kearney 11th February 1839 - Kilcloon, Batterstown and Kilcock parish
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000635221#page/12/mode/1up

This is a possibility but not definite.
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Re: Who was Bartle kernan (Kearns)
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 14 April 22 16:04 BST (UK) »
Curious about the surnames:

Did Bartolemew Kernan change his name to Kearns, or was Kearns written on a document or in an index in error or as a variant of Kernan. How many and what records have you found him as “Kearns”.

Bartholomew's father had a different surname? Or might Kiernan be a variation of Kernan? If a different surname that implies he was illegitimate and Bart’s mother’s surname was Kernan.

I’m erring towards it being the same surname.

Were the family Catholic?


Irish Ancestors Wizard lists many variants.
https://www.johngrenham.com/wizard/
Select "Surname" tab.
A dozen variants for Kernan in Griffiths' Valuation and more in other records.

20+ variants for Kearns in Griffiths' Valuation, including Kearan &c. + more in other records.
Some variants of both don't begin with K.


1911 census
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Kildare/Robertstown/Brockagh/569856/


According to 1911 census Barty could read but not write and he was R.C.
I tend to agree with Ruskie. Surnames varied depending on who wrote them and how an owner of a name pronounced it. The Registrar-General of Ireland wrote a book about surname variants in BMD registrations in 1901.
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Re: Who was Bartle kernan (Kearns)
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 14 April 22 16:25 BST (UK) »
Bartholomew kernan  ... was born from 1838 to 1840 in kildare or meath. The first record of him I know of is his Marriage Record. He married Ellen Kelly in 1860. Ellen  and Bartle had lots of children until her death in 1880. Bartle married a second time to a woman named Margaret Tierney and has 3 more children. Bartle changed his last name to Kearns. He died in Robertstown, Country Kildare, Ireland in 1917. His father was Peter Kiernan.


It helps us to help you if you tell us sources for information, preferably with links to those sources.
For instance:
Where did the marriage to Ellen Kelly happen? Have you found the record? If so, please give name & place of church, religious denomination + date, + a link if possible.
Can you provide a list of children of the marriage, in birth order, with years & places of birth + baptism info if found?
Where did Ellen die?
Do you know when & where the marriage to Margaret Tierney happened?
Names, birth years & birthplaces of children of 2nd marriage?
What's the basis for Barty being born in Kildare or Meath? Did you estimate his years of birth from his age on census returns or other sources?
Did you get his father's name from B.'s marriage registration or from another source?

 
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Re: Who was Bartle kernan (Kearns)
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 16 April 22 17:52 BST (UK) »

Irish Ancestors Wizard lists many variants.
https://www.johngrenham.com/wizard/
Select "Surname" tab.
A dozen variants for Kernan in Griffiths' Valuation and more in other records.

20+ variants for Kearns in Griffiths' Valuation, including Kearan &c. + more in other records.
Some variants of both don't begin with K.


I tend to agree with Ruskie. Surnames varied depending on who wrote them and how an owner of a name pronounced it. The Registrar-General of Ireland wrote a book about surname variants in BMD registrations in 1901.

McKernan is a variant I noticed in Tyrone when researching your Ellen Donnelly (who married a Kernan) for one of your other topics. That McKernan family lived near Ellen's family.
Some other variants begin with C. 
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Re: Who was Bartle kernan (Kearns)
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 14 September 22 19:42 BST (UK) »
Hi I am sorry that this member has not come back to thank you for your efforts.

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