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Re: Ellen Helen Brannigan, born 1817 Ireland, possibly County Monaghan
« Reply #27 on: Friday 29 April 22 17:34 BST (UK) »
I am just concerned about:

Patrick b c 1836
where is he in 1841. I agree he may be with family if the move to Scotland was only recent but we seem to be thinking it wasn’t. However, we haven’t found a marriage yet for Peter and Mary.

John b c 1831
Where is he after 1841

William b c 1833
Where is he after 1841?

Sarah b c 1835
Where is she after 1841

Published trees have Mary as Malone and as posted previously have this Catherine - where is she? Is she connected?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WFK-KL3
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Re: Ellen Helen Brannigan, born 1817 Ireland, possibly County Monaghan
« Reply #28 on: Friday 29 April 22 17:48 BST (UK) »

There was a  Peter Branigan marriage 7th May 1835 in Newry, bride Mary, can't read her surname.
Newry R.C. parish, Diocese of Dromore, Counties Down & Armagh.
https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0455
 

The name looks like Mary Andrew*.  Cathne Brannigan seems to be mentioned and a Rev B Dooge (?). There seems to be a 'Bridg' or 'Bride' there as well.  (St Brigid?)

ETA Austin/Andin?

Bride's surname  An_ _ ne ?
1st witness probably Cath Brannigan although a slight chance it's Pat'k.
2nd witness Bridg MK.....
Rev Doo...
I think they didn't give a stipend to the church. Figures in final column 0 0. Some others gave £1 or 18 shillings.
Microfilm 05502/03

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Re: Ellen Helen Brannigan, born 1817 Ireland, possibly County Monaghan
« Reply #29 on: Friday 29 April 22 18:08 BST (UK) »
I am just concerned about:

Patrick b c 1836
where is he in 1841. I agree he may be with family if the move to Scotland was only recent but we seem to be thinking it wasn’t. However, we haven’t found a marriage yet for Peter and Mary.

John b c 1831
Where is he after 1841

William b c 1833
Where is he after 1841?

Sarah b c 1835
Where is she after 1841

Published trees have Mary as Malone and as posted previously have this Catherine - where is she? Is she connected?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WFK-KL3


Neale found another Brannigan in Port Glasgow reply 17.
Some of the children may have died between 1841 census and the parents emigrating. Death registrations began 1855 in Scotland.
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Re: Ellen Helen Brannigan, born 1817 Ireland, possibly County Monaghan
« Reply #30 on: Friday 29 April 22 18:35 BST (UK) »
Yes I saw that.

Mary seems to be with Patrick during censuses until her death in Sacramento, California.
He is shown as b Scotland and is a Plasterer which fits with Peter’s occupation.
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Re: Ellen Helen Brannigan, born 1817 Ireland, possibly County Monaghan
« Reply #31 on: Friday 29 April 22 20:18 BST (UK) »

The very fact that you have found Catherine Brannigan, born in Ireland 1835 certainly is of interest.  Note Patrick and Catherine’s year of birth found on the Family Search-1835.  They may have been twins.
 Could Peter’s or Mary’s parents have raised the children for a while? 


Years of birth should be regarded as approximate (especially for Irish people of that era). They were calculated from age stated on a document. That age may not have been accurate.
 Patrick was 21 on 1855 census and 24 on 1860. Both ages can't be correct. If his age was correct on 1 census, it narrows his year of birth to 2 years, depending on whether the anniversary of his birth was before or after census day. Patrick's ages on the 2 censuses gives approximate years of birth 1833-1836. His age may have been incorrect on both censuses, in which case his birth window expands further in both directions.
Wasn't Catherine's birth year calculated from information on a death registration? Even more scope for error than on a census as the subject wasn't alive to provide information.
A household return for a UK census usually listed only people who spent census night in that household. It wasn't supposed to include family members who were away from home.
1841 Scotland census was taken in June.
Information about 1841 Scotland Census:
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collection/1004/
Added. Link gives message "No longer available". It can be found by internet search for Scotland census 1841.
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Re: Ellen Helen Brannigan, born 1817 Ireland, possibly County Monaghan
« Reply #32 on: Friday 29 April 22 20:39 BST (UK) »

Then there is a daughter Catherine born abt 1835, County Louth, Ireland who dies in 1906 (record states County ‘South’
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WFK-KL3


Buried in Holy Cross Cemetery. Holy Cross is R.C. Her residence when she died was with the Little Sisters of the Poor. She had been in NY and in U.S. for 35 years.
Questions. Was she a nun or a resident in the home for the aged owned by the order? I'm inclined to think she was a resident in the old folks' home. Was she buried near relatives?
She would have emigrated around 1870. Where was she between 1870 and 1906?
She may be a red herring.
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Re: Ellen Helen Brannigan, born 1817 Ireland, possibly County Monaghan
« Reply #33 on: Friday 29 April 22 20:49 BST (UK) »

Do you know Ellens religious denomination?
No


Have you found baptisms for Appleton children or Peter Brannigan's children?

Added. Agnes Appleton baptised St. Luke, Farnworth (Widnes), Lancashire 1837. Abode Farnworth. Source: Lancashire Online Parish Clerks. So Agnes was baptised in  C. of E.
Birth registration on GRO index has Brannager as mother's maiden surname. 
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Re: Ellen Helen Brannigan, born 1817 Ireland, possibly County Monaghan
« Reply #34 on: Saturday 30 April 22 03:39 BST (UK) »
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My Grandmother was Ellen’s Granddaughter, Agnes Appleton.  I have all of the Appleton children christened Church of England.  However, it is not unknown for females to change their religion in marriage. 
Young
Scott
Rankin
Appleton
Smith
Rickard (Richard)
Brannigan

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Re: Ellen Helen Brannigan, born 1817 Ireland, possibly County Monaghan
« Reply #35 on: Saturday 30 April 22 06:27 BST (UK) »
On 16/6/1855 New York State census Peter Brannigan was in Kings, New York.
He states he is 45 years, born in Ireland and a plasterer.  poss born c 1810
Wife is Mary 44 born Ireland poss born c 1811
and child (21) is Patrick, also a plasterer, born Scotland ie poss born c 1834
They have been in US for 8 years ie 1847. 

The Catherine Brannigan who dies in 1906 has her father as Peter and mother as Mary.  She is born, according to the death details, in 1835 in Ireland in Co South/Louth. The death details again indicate she had been in US/NY for 35 years so came over around 25/30 years later in 1870/71?  Would parents have left an 11 or 12 year old behind in Scotland/Ireland or where ever they emigrated from?   She could be left with family or in service or starting a religious life. 


Maiden Stone asks Where was she between 1870 and 1906?

If she is connected to the Peter/Mary above where was she between 1847 and 1870/71?

ETA Re Ellen/Helen has OP put up the marriage cert or refs Brannigan/Appleton marriage in 1834 at Port Glasgow?  If she was born in 1817 then she would have been 17 at the time of her marriage and usually parental consent was required.