Stuck and Need help on 2nd great grandparents, Thomas Johnson and Fanny Wilmot

[Jason Jase]

1877 marriage of Thomas Johnson to Fanny Wilmot. His father is named as Thomas Johnson (surgeon) and her father is Edward Wilmott (Gentleman)

Ruby Ingram Johnson born 16 Dec 1877 Southhampton Hampshire
She was baptised Nov 1878 in Manchester. Her father Thomas - a clerk.

1891 census Wandsworth
Ruby Johnson age 13 is living with her mother Fanny (40), now the “wife” of William E .JACQUES – 54, a tramway manager.

28 Apr 1892 Marriage ST John Preston, Lancashire
Fanny Jacques 38 widow married Arthur William Marchmont.
Her father Edward Wilmott – coal dealer

20th July 1897 St. Philip Kensington - Ruby Ingram Johnson married (under age 19 years) Alfred Herbert Fortt age 26
Her address was ST Philip’s Vicarage. He was from Widcombe, Bath
Marriage record has her father as “Gentleman” deceased.
His father as James Fortt – Manufacturer
Witness was Arthur W Marchmont and Frank Charlie Fortt

Children Stanley Marchmont Fortt (1907 Bath), France Eleanor Fortt (1908 Bath) and Arthur Raymon Fortr (1916 Bath)

Alfred Herbert Fortt died 9 Aug 1941
Ruby Ingram Fortt (Widow) died London 10 Nov 1956. Probate – Arthur Raymond Fortt Photographic artist

Fanny Marchmont died 14 June 1923
Arthur William Marchmont died 2 July 1923

Arthur Raymond Fortt (my Grandfather) married Pamela Barr Jul 1940 in Kensington
they had two Daughters ^(*) (my mom) my mom married ^(*) and had 3 kids (including me) after moving to Vancouver

^(*), (Born  ^(*) • Kensington, Greater London) my estranged aunt that I never met and have no idea where she is? She married a ^(*) for a few years and had a son ^(*) (born ^(*) • Brighton, East Sussex), my only 1st cousin that I also never met. ^(*) had a falling out with her whole family after the divorce in ^(*)?
all I know is ^(*) later got married a 2nd time to


What does being a  “Gentleman”  mean?

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[Neale1961]

Birth rego for
JOHNSON, THOMAS       Mother - MEACOCK 
GRO Reference: 1847  S Quarter in EXETER  Volume 10  Page 85

Louisa MEACOCK marriage to Thomas JOHNSON
Jan 22nd 1840 Liverpool
Thomas, full age, bachelor, surgeon. Father – John Johnson, manufacturer
Louisa, full age, spinster. Father Samuel Meacock, Inn keeper


Louisa Meacock baptised 7 Nov 1818 Runcorn Cheshire. Father Samuel and mother Mary
Louisa Meacock - (Johnson) - Dixon died Macclesfield, Cheshire, in 1889 age 60

[Jason Jase]

That is great thank you thank you. Someone else had found her fathers name as Edward but nothing else so this is great that you found this

I suspect the name "Edward" for her father may an invention on her part. On her first marriage to VOWLES, she has no father recorded. Her baptism suggests she was illegitimate.

I found a Robert Edward Wilmot Horton a gentleman as stated, that is a possible father ? but no other Edward Wilmot's are coming up (I don't have any birth date or location to search)

[mckha489]

1871

Margaret WILLIAMS wife M. 46, wife of Commercial.  b Somerset, Portishead
Ellen Williams dau. 17  b Clifton, Bristol
Alice Williams 15 b Clifton
Amy Williams 5 b St James, Bristol

[Jason Jase]

Fanny Wilmot (b1851) from Bristol married Alfred William Vowles, a Professor of Music in Bristol on 7 July 1871.  Alfred William Vowles filed for divorce in 1876 on the grounds of adultery by Fanny and the co-respondent was named as Thomas Johnson.  On her marriage to Alfred, there is no father named on her marriage certificate. Alfred and Fanny  had two sons, Lewis and Julian. Decree Nisi 7 November 1876. Same lady or just huge coincidence!

well I didn't expect that I am going to put it on my family tree as unverified until I find more on that.... that is is a good find...

So the Alfred William Vowles is married to a Agnes Fanny Wilmot born 3 Feb 1851 Bristol, Gloucester, England died 15 Jun 1935 121 Hampton Road, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England. They have a child born after my Fanny Wilmot would of been married to Thomas Johnson. (Charlotte S Vowles born 1884) I'm not sure who is right here but I am confused about this. Same Birth year but different death date.

[mckha489]

Are you seeing that on a tree? 

the marriage certificate has no Agnes.
the divorce papers have no Agnes
the baptisms of Lewis and Julian have no Agnes


Alfred married a second time 22 June 1878 to Agnes Fanny HART

Trees have not followed this through properly. 
It is why we are always saying don't believe anything until you can work through the documentation yourself!

added

but Agnes Fanny must have been a widow. Haven't found original cert yet.
but here is birth of Purcell

VOWLES, PURCELL  JOSEPH     Mother's Maiden name  MESSER 
GRO Reference: 1880  S Quarter in BARTON REGIS  Volume 06A  Page 172

[Neale1961]

Alfred William Vowles first marriage in 1871 Bristol was to your Fanny Wilmot
2 sons were born before they divorced in 1876.
He married again in 1878 to Agnes Fanny Hart and had further children to his second wife.
Agnes Fanny Hart was a widow on her marriage, father's name was Thomas Messer, accountant.
On the marriage record, Alfred Vowles is recorded "divorced from his former wife"
(Agnes Fanny Messer had married James Essex Hart in 1873 Poole)

Alfred William Vowles died in Bristol 7 Jan 1923.
Agnes Fanny Vowles died in 1935

[Jason Jase]

1871

Margaret WILLIAMS wife M. 46, wife of Commercial.  b Somerset, Portishead
Ellen Williams dau. 17  b Clifton, Bristol
Alice Williams 15 b Clifton
Amy Williams 5 b St James, Bristol

so Hellen Wilmot was born 2 Jul 1853  Bristol, Gloucestershire and baptised 29 Jul 1860
Ellen Williams born 1854-ish which is close enough to be true 

Alice Mary Wilmot born 16 JUL 1856 were as Alice Williams born 1856 

\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\dude ///////////////// how on earth did you find this?
 

[mckha489]

Dude!   
After Neale found those baptisms I entered the forenames only as a Mother and Children and looked to see what came up in Bristol.