Scotland's People - Service Returns Death Cert.

[FindinFamily]

Neale - Good point as I had totally forgotten about the baby who died as he was not listed on any census.

Father James died in Australia in 1935 and listed on Death Cert as having 2 sons predecease him.  His son James died in 1905 in Scotland, and I have confirmation that all other sons were all alive after 1935, with the exception of John.

So surely, the two dead sons before 1935 were Samuel and James. ?

[FindinFamily]

Annie
 I have not been able to find any possible marriage with almost nothing to go on and such a popular name.  I think my next move would be to search 1911 census as I know that the family had left Scotland by then.  He had 3 elder sisters who also stayed in Scotland, and were married by this time.  2 were living in Govan and 1 in Kilsyth.  Agnes Russell (Hay),  Helen Donaldson (Hay), and Mary Jo Anderson (Hay).  If he was not living on his own, possibly he lived with one of the sisters.

[Crumblie]

It is possible that he did the unthinkable and moved to England.

[CraigM63]

Deaths in the 1900s prior to 1974 seldom give mms

ScotlandsPeople has been quietly infilling the earlier death records with mother's maiden name, starting from the advent of statutory registration in 1855. Most deaths between 1855 and the late 1920's can now be searched with both surname and mother's maiden name, where the mother's maiden name was known. The gap is, of course, probably the precise range the OP is looking for a death in if John Hay did indeed die in Scotland. Wait for another year or so, and it's highly likely you'll be able to resolve the issue of whether he died in Scotland and if so when.

[Crumblie]

I know you say that you do not think he went to Australia but you should consider the possibility he did. If he followed his father before 1914 he may have come back almost straight away as part of the Australian Army possibly to Gallipoli. Their records unlike ours are intact and I believe it possible to search them online although I don't know how. It is worth a try to cover all bases.

[rosie17]

It is possible that he did the unthinkable and moved to England.

I have checked a few census records England and abroad seeing a few John Hay's born Scotland it would help if we had his date of birth ..Like you also thought he might have went to Australia

Rosie

[CraigM63]

I know you say that you do not think he went to Australia but you should consider the possibility he did. If he followed his father before 1914 he may have come back almost straight away as part of the Australian Army possibly to Gallipoli. Their records unlike ours are intact and I believe it possible to search them online although I don't know how. It is worth a try to cover all bases.

There is a surviving Australian WW1 service record for a John Hay, born in Edinburgh, Scotland, aged 25 years and 10 months on attesting in September 1914, so born 1888/89. Next of kin is given as brother Alexander, and then a Miss M A Hay, who is his sister.

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/ViewImage.aspx?B=4769148 

[FindinFamily]

It is possible that he did the unthinkable and moved to England.

I have checked a few census records England and abroad seeing a few John Hay's born Scotland it would help if we had his date of birth ..Like you also thought he might have went to Australia

Rosie

[FindinFamily]

Yes - England could be a possibility, as could Canada because there were relatives there also.